Thank God for that! the way fan4tennis was talking rafa was at death's door!

Yes - thank God for Rafa's recovery. I look forward to his return as soon as he is able.

Great news!!! Praise God.

I cannot wait to see Rafa on tour again. Wimbledon this year, is like a wedding without the bride.

VAMOS RAFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thatsss simplyy aswesumm!!!!!

buttt...his parents got divorced yesterday!! :(!! mental recovery is also very vital..i hope he can achieve both quickly

good news about his knees :D

shame about his parents though. but he'll be ok. it's not the end of the world, although it may well feel like it for him at the moment

h that would be awesome if he comes backy early recovering fully...... physically n mentally.........

aur vamosrafaji....... kya baat hai huzoor..... ab kuch jyada dikhte nahin aap ????

Get well soon Rafa.....

Wimbledon lost Rafa...sad.... but others r alwayzz there for the rescue....... it is wt it was with Our Roger is there !!!!!!


Go Roger Go.........

Yes, it's nice to finally read that the doc ACTUALLY treating him says 3-4 weeks more of healing. (Others have quoted "experts" who said only 2 weeks). This only proves my point that I have said again and again on the "Shedding a Tear For Rafa" thread, that he WILL be back, that this is temporary, and he will come back stronger than ever!!!!! He will be SOOOOO ready for the USO and for his Golden Slam!

"But when he steps on the court next time, he will be like new".

What a great, positive statement for all Rafa fans to remember!!!!

"Nadal's next potential event could be the Montreal Masters from August 10 with the US Open unlikely to be a problem for his knees. "

It will be great to see him playing again! And that part of "US Open unlikely to be a problem" is the best!

fan4tennis..you do come across as holier than thou...in fact fan4tennis..YOU are the only one who knows what is happening to rafa REALLY....right? only YOU! Oh My God..woman do you realise how you come across..scoffing at others expert advice..you are sooooo full of yourself and trying to prove every other person on the planet wrong..the more i read about you the more i think that you need to get yourself a proper job.....i mean..why not go into counselling...in fact...go and counsel rafa.....counsel him through his knee therapy..hey...why don't you make the medicine for him? honestly...just read what you have said.....

I am telling you fft..you show no respect for any professor....everyone out there

....fft was referring to me...in brackets...because she thinks that SHE has the medical knowledge and the where withal to advise any doctor on this planet what is r-e-a-l-l-y going on....give it a few minutes and she will get back on that broomstick and fly into this forum wearing that witches hat and giving it what for!

The 'expert' fft said very clearly that rafa's knees were NOT chronic..that he WOULD recover and would be likely to play again in TWO WEEKS...i cannot post it word for word here because it is at work....i read the tennis articles in my break...but i will do my very best to post it word for word here......

so you know what lady...i will listen to all those professionals in tendinitis out there rather than some housewife who has nothing better to do than tell everyone else on this forum that what they say are wrong and what she says is the oracle....(because of course she does her research on wikipedia.... oh my god...) if this isn't a wake up call for fft to go study for a phd...i don't know what is!

By the way fft..you still haven't answered my questions or thanked me for doing your research on the 'golden slam'...what does that say about you? you really find it very hard to thank people don't you? it almost goes against your stubborn character...why are you like this?

The article says it all.

it's GREAT that Rafa is better and WILL be fine!! I can't believe I miss him SO MUCH in Wimbledon...Rafans ,hope you're trying to enjoy the tournament ...!

btw..I was hoping the separation was just a rumor,it's not!! really sorry,no matter how old you are,it's tough...get well soon Rafa...!

Thank you niloofar for your nice comments.

you're welcome..:)

holier than thou.....

are you going to answer my questions fan4tennis or is this a suitable duck on your part?

malteser,

instead of having a go at fft, what do you have to say about the prognosis on Rafa's injury? fft was only pointing out that no one else could make a valuable evaluation of Rafa's injury if they haven't actually examined him , which makes sense, only the doctor treating him could do that.

Hang on a sec' carrie...you don't know what has been going on...remember you have been away on holiday...so before you start having a pop...can I suggest please that you read fan4tennis posts to me...to zoey...(in particular)..she is a nasty poster...i have really seen a different side to fft....i had posted an 'experts' opinion on tendinitis that was reported in the times sports magazine....here we go again....fan4tennis(if you read earlier)...had a pop and she was refer to me and she knows it....i might seem stupid..but i see through the woman...

she was very dismissive of any comments posted by anyone else and only held her own up to be the correct comments...so honestly carrie....i know that you can be nice every now and again...but you turn your character around in a heartbeat...so by all means defend your friend but do not...r-e-p-e-a-t...DO NOT say to me that i am having a go.....

secondly...i kindly did some research for fft on the golden slam..and posted it for her...she didn't acknowledge it from at all...completely ignored it....

thirdly.....she was absolutely hateful towards zoey...whilst you were away on holiday...so honestly honey....you really wouldn't make a very good lawyer..because you assume so much before reading the facts and so perhaps next time..you should do this...

fft needs to eat a bit of humble pie every now and again..she's always accusing fed of being arrogant...when really she is just projecting how arrogant she is......

The professor in tendinitis was not rafa's doctor...but he was the consultant...and you know..if fft isn't going to accept that..then am sorry but the woman is beyond her own ego.....

i don't need to defend myself to you carrie but perhaps you could also learn a little humility because i can see you becoming the carrie you were once before......i like this one much better......your choice.

The only thing that matters is that Rafa returns to the game asap. Everything else really doesn't matter. What matters at the end of the day is that tennis has Rafa back in full flow, because Rafa is one of the players that tennis needs badly, and I hope the ATP looks at the gruelling schedule they expect the players to keep and make life easier on them.

We are all free to express our opinions and to agree or disagree with each other, because we are all speculating on a lot of things that we have no grounds to believe.

GET WELL SOON RAFA!!!!!!!!!! VAMOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesnt matter what injury nadal has on his knees, he will get the best care. But really, he should cut down on his tournaments.

@tomnjerry2....lol...nai yar aisa kuch nai ...rafa k na khelne se man iboht na-umeed hogya tha mgr ab sab thik hai ..rest zaruri tha.Roger is there,good luck ,mere khayal se 6th wimbledon ajae ga ..:D

if that is the only thing that matters carrie..then perhaps you could have a word with your friend...you too are very clever at sidestepping issues and not acknowledging who was at fault here.....the fedfans have been more than supportive of rafa....i doubt very much whether some of the rafa fans would have been as supportive if this had been fed...in fact i would bet money on it...

Sweet, I'm glad to know he'll not only be at the US Open but have been well tuned-up. I suspect, he'll be a bit rusty, but that should fall off after a couple rounds. Fist pump time approaches. Fed vs Nadal finals can be smell as Roger seems a bit better too.

Mr. Malteser seems to love to write pages and pages of lifestory like thoughts on blogs, so much so that it causes a lot of cluttering, not a big fan of that, but i'm sure he has his fair share of audience, given that Feds supporters seem to far outnumber rafa faithfuls here.

Regarding Rafa, its such a shame to see him not being able to defend his title which i'm sure had he been fit and uninjured would have been shot odds to put Fed in the shame again as he has done so often time and time again of late, i cannot seem to recall last time Fed got the better of a FIT and UNINJURED rafa. (Pls all u'se Feds clowns dont mention Madrid, i put my words in Capitals just to stress my point)

Anyways, cant wait for Nth american hadrcourt actions, but at the same time Djoko and Murray, even del potro these days are some quite formidable forces i wouldn't take lightly.

My prediction is fed and Murray for the final of Wimby and plssssssss, go and kill off FEd, i'm sick to death of seein the same guy wining it all, hope to see someone new and fresh.

See, I wasn't crazy. I knew there was something else bothering him besides his knees. This kid lives and dies tennis, there's no way he would miss Wimby, unless he was in a coma! His passion is what I love most about him.

I thought there was an illness in the family or maybe he was sick and didn't want to say. I'm shocked his parents split. This is really going to hurt him. His family is so important to him.

He needs to rest and clear his head and his heart. The knees will take care of themselves.

Rafa vs Roger in the US Open final ??

Mmmm....

Who died and made Malteser God? :)

well thtz great newz....and offcourse a sigh a of relief for all rafanzz
dis is d first tym in years tht um not in touch vth wimbledon...wimbledon is meaninless vthout rafa playin!!

um shocjed at d newz abt his parents...dey r so damn mean....how cud dey do so at such a vital stage of their sonz career???

vamos rafa!i hope d withdrawal frm wimbledon wud have given u enough tym gor urself....to get things sorted out??
vamos...looking forward for ur US OPEN victory:):):)

do you put your name in capitals AZY to 'stress your point' as otherwise no one would listen to you? loser......

Nam....obviously you did? if you wanna post me direct then that's your choice...i don't particularly want to enter into any discussions with so called fans who dont know a thing about tennis other than slagging off fed fans...i mean at least that's ONE good thing you can do...(oh...that's in capitals AZY...to.....ssssstress my point...)...

yeah it's a shame really...cos all you guys can do is bleat on about an injury rather than enjoy the wimby tournament.....life doesn't begin or end with rafa....so stop treating him like a kid...if he is the warrior that you have said he is...then i think enough of this soft talk...it should have ended a week ago......

Roger cannot help winning tournys guys...he is just THAT good...(that's for AZY again...just to stress the point)......

Stop making your excuses...you come across as w-e-a-k.........

AZN, that was really a low one to say Fed hasn't beaten an uninjured Rafa. Last year Rafa was able to be no.1 just because Fed had mono, if not, the Rafans have only clay H2H to gloat about so you should be thanking your lucky stars that Fed had an early bout of mono last year and also that Rafa will get well.

Stop pushing your luck. Nadal got what he wanted by pushing his knees. No.1,Wimby and AO. And enough with the injury already. Nadal is not the definition of tennis. He doesnt even play the way it should be played and turned it into a running sport. Wimby2009 is going on and people are focusing on Murray and Fed now.

malteser, being a prick only helps to justify the state of you IQ, and frankly lets face it, your attitude towards other non-fed supporters shows exactly the same kind of person Fed is these days. I dont want Fed to win cos i want to give someone else a chance and that way we can bring in more audience into this beautiful game we all love to watch, a sport with only one man dominating would just simply kill it off.

I'm not saying its anybodys fault here, and the real reason y fed has been able to dominate of late reflects the rather weak field and the absense of Rafa, which during his presence early in the yr, Fed was simply a shadow, a joke, a l-o-s-e-r (just the way you like it???).

I know ur laughing now cos Fed is doing well, but open up your eyes, the current situation is not much better than when Steffi was dominating tennis back in the 90's and on came the flamboyant Seles and lets face it, if it wasn't for that infamous stabbing incident that she suffered and forced her off for quite some time, i doubt Steffi was able to continue wining grand slams the way she did, not sayin she wasnt good enough, shes immortal, just bit of luck from up above combined with the field she was in led to the 23 slam titles which is a joke thinking about it.

I'm in no mood to rage a personal war with this malteser POS, i'm simply here to comment on issues related to tennis and on that point i'll say this, YES Fed has a good chance of getting 15 and become the lone holder of most slams ever won, but the GOAT title shouldnt go to him.

I'll use the Steffi example again, now Steffi was good but she should also be thankful that the likes of both Serena and Venus were still in kinddy when she's dominating, had those two been around back then, her number of titles would have been considerably slashed, to around the 12-15 mark which is still incredible, but 23 is way too inflated. Same goes with Fed, he's quite hectic at his peak, but 15 is unjust for him, especially considering the likes of Chang, Agassi and Becker and Muster Sampras had to face when they were at their peak or near and the first 8 that Fed won he barely had to face anyone anywhere near the same calibre, so while Fed's good, his number of 14 is also inflated. While Rafa's 6 titles, EVERY SINGLE one of em, he had to fight against YOU KNOW WHO, and the fact he's been able to get over him over and over again in final really shows whos the real deal here.

AZN, another delusional post by you. First of all, Fed's era is just as good as any era just that he owned them all that they look weak. Nadal is in Fed's era, why isnt he able to stop Fed's 15? Are you saying Nadal's weak?

The 'real deal' wasn't good enough to beat Fed in 2 Wimby and also wasn't even threatening him in USO and AO for years and also the 'real deal' got knocked out of 4th round of his own Roland Garros as a 4-time winner and no.1. Not really a 'real deal' to me.

You're comparing with Steffi and you said it's lucky that Serena and Venus are still kiddies. Rafa is lucky he is not in Sampras era because he would have been volleyed out by Sampras and other volleyers who will make Rafa's brand of tennis a joke. Just look at Tsonga demolition of Rafa in AO2008. Rafa dont stand a chance against Sampras becoz he doesnt have variety like Fed.

Maybe life doesn't begin and end with Rafa, but tennis today does, that's why we are 'bleating' on about his withdrawal from Wimbledon. You must admit that Wimbledon without Rafa is like strawberries without the cream.

I hope Rafa comes to terms with his new family situation, and that it helps him to grow up and be his own man, which he would have had to do some day. Andy Murray says he got engrossed in tennis because of the colapse of his parent's marriage, which has turned out to be his silver lining in that particular cloud. Once Rafa has got over the trauma, he will be able to concentrate on his tennis.

I hope God will grant him the serenity to accept the things he cannot change, courage to change the things he can, and wisdom to know the difference.

VAMOS RAFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET WELL SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

carrie...perhaps you should quote rudyard kipling and not plagerise as if they are your own words....i also think you need to treat rafa like a man NOT like a 6 year old kid...so his parents got divorced? so what? he been travelling around the world for a long time now not actually there at the family home.........he'll come to terms with it.......if anything, any aggression/upset should be channelled into his tennis......carrie...do you READ the fedfans posts? honestly? go back and read ALL of them...so much support from ALL fedfans....too many to mention, I think I counted 87 posts.....so honestly honey...please...give it a rest.....

AZY..i am impressed...you actually write a very comprehensive post for a change...problem is......it's full of c-r-a-p...to remind you what you said initially....
quote.....

Mr. Malteser seems to love to write pages and pages of lifestory like thoughts on blogs, so much so that it causes a lot of cluttering, not a big fan of that, but i'm sure he has his fair share of audience, given that Feds supporters seem to far outnumber rafa faithfuls here....unquote...

so it's okay for you to write a 100 page post? Oh yeah...i get it....not okay for me...but okay for you? Yeah right...that figures.... Also...last time I checked...i wasn't a Mr. but yeah...I do have balls....

don't assume that you know whether I am laughing right now....w-r-o-n-g-o!....you very rarely post these days AZY...genning up on your tennis are we? still a long way to go I think...to come out with crazy phrases like....'yeah...fed is G-O-O-D....hello? Earth to AZY? Earth to AZY?.........I think that i would much prefer to listen to the tennis experts out there....cos in my view you are nothing but a baby in dipers when it comes to giving your view on the greatest tennis player that ever walked onto a court.....jim courier, johnny mac, pete sampras, andre agassi....well...need i go on? all have said this....so am happy to listen to what they have to say and those guys who analyse his game....

you know, I am under NO illusion that Fed isn't perfect...oh my god...who is? but the joy and the entertainment that he brings to tennis is just awe-inspiring...so for trashers like you....you need a platform to air your grievances...but believe me....apart from some of the trashers on this forum...you are in a minority buddy.....

I have always been respectful to rafa...always...but the more posts i read from you...the more i think....no matter what you say..you cannot educate those who dont want to learn....you seem to come up with any excuse under the sun...when rafa loses a match it is because he is injured..or tired...or...whatever...

it's really childish...you need to take it like a man.....accept that rafa as No.1 has lost many more matches than anyone could have thought of.....and hell...he lost...as torres said...to a seeded player at that time....No.25..soderling in the FOURTH ROUND.....

apart from once to Warwinka.....at least the times when Fed has lost...it has been to one of the BIG FOUR....that cannot be said of Rafa...AZY...no matter how you wanna argue it....plus it took rafa THREE attempts to beat Federer at Wimby....and Murray has never beaten fed in a grand slam final....(he's only ever reached ONE)......so honestly...do a bit of research.....the likes of Federer will never come around again...he is just the consummate performer on and off the court.....

C'MON!
Allez Federer!

malteser -You can never expect the slightest amount of credit from Rafanatics.They're bitter-call us down when their guy wins and start whinning when he loses or Roger wins.They just have to trash Roger somehow.Guess they just thrive on him.Whats sad is that they display more hatred for Roger than love for Rafa.
They're so desperate that they contradict themselves by first calling Federer a chump for not beating the guys Sampras beat (yep,Becker[way past his prime] and Chang....ROFL) then suddenly elevate him as a player when it comes to the matches Rafa beat him in.LOL..Its funny.

As for Rafa's injury-Glad to hear the news.He'll be strong again.
As for his parents-Still not sure about the news but I doubt it affected him too much on the professional front.I mean,he must've known it for a long time and he still won 5 tourneys.So no way I'm buying that.Nevertheless its a big personal blow if true.So really sad for him.Hopefully he'll be fine.

I'll quote whomsoever I wish to quote; and since when have Simon, Fish, Stepanek and Karlovic been one of the big four?????????????

janhavi...you are absolutely right.....but am not going go on about this here...am enjoying roger's sublime game of tennis right now at wimby and that makes me feel positive about everything......

C'MON!
Allez Federer!

This is a quote fro the Daily Telegraph the day after Rafa announced his withdrawal from Wimbledon. Note the word 'DAZZLING', this is why Rafans are 'bleating' on about it. There is no doubt that Rafa is the star attraction, now all we are left with are grandpa's military jacket and waiscoat, next year it will be a pipe and slippers.


Daily Telegraph

Rafael Nadal's withdrawal from Wimbledon not only robs The Championships of its most dazzling attraction.....................

whinning , whinning and more whinning..makes my day .ROFL.

"malteser -You can never expect the slightest amount of credit from Rafanatics.They're bitter-call us down when their guy wins and start whinning when he loses or Roger wins."-janhavi , 6/25/09 12:28 PM

It is federer who is arrogant when winning and bitter when losing!

too right danny. people likejanhavi just like bitching and generalising all rafa fans as fanatics and judging everyone from her pedestal. her blind worship for the truely arrogant one is of course totally beside the point!

Janhavi........bulls eye........

n welcome....... I think u came after a long time & was not even here when Roger conquered RG ......

Go Roger Go..............

carrie...yeah..you got it carrie...you CAN quote whoever you want...but have the decency to quote the ACTUAL person who said it rather than passing it off as your own...very poor....

and Carrie...we are talking this year.....we are talking about fed having lost to who...THIS YEAR...if you wanna talk statistics babe over the last 18 months with the mono...then make yourself clear....rafa lost to seed no. 25 THIS YEAR....Soderling...how many more times do you want that repeating...and trust me if you want stats...i can give those to you.....how many of the players that you have quoted have won 14 slams? 15 masters (apart from rafa)...and no matter what you say about rafa...he only has the multiple slams in relation to the French Open....NONE OTHER.......Fed....well....we have US OPEN....five....Wimby....five.....AO....three.....so we are talking about multiple slams at 3 of the grand slam tournys....

homos and danny.....yey! guys we have the double act back! pure comedians....give me a laugh e-v-e-r-y...t-i-m-e....keep the jokes comin' guys....loving the material!

C'MON!
Allez Federer!

Everyone knows the prayer, so there is no need to say it's not original, or malteser, are you hearing it for the first time?

It's in poor taste to use a thread devoted to Rafa's injury problems to proclaim how great the arrogant one is, and put Rafa down. Some people seem to have to keep convining themselves that Federer is some kind of invincible tennis player. I have my doubts about his mono - no one would be able to get to a GS final after suffering from mono. How many tournaments did Federer miss when he had mono - none! Curious.

By the way malteser, I have never seen anyone quote the author of the Serenity Prayer, because no one is sure who it is; it is widely used all over the place, as is shown on this excerpt from the internet: If you sang Happy Birthday to You, would you have to say who wrote it? You must have been impressed when I quoted it, and probably wished you had done so first.

Google Search:

No-one is totally sure who wrote the serenity prayer, although Reinhold Niebuhr is often credited with it. However, some link it with Friedrich Oetinger, an 18th century theologian, whilst others attribute the serenity prayer to the Roman philosopher Boethius, living in the early part of the sixth century.

carrie, mule-tosser is a screwed up, frustrated blind fanatic. Stop trying to educate her, you're never going to succeed! You've got more character and intelligence in your little finger tip than she has in her whole body!

yea, homos, she's not as smart as she seems to think she is.

carrie..if you feel the need to 'big yourself up' honey...then you go right ahead....we all know where you do your research..wikipedia and now google? nice one carrie......

yeah homos....more jokes...just loving the material buddy...keep 'em flowing...material is just getting better and better.......

just like fan4tennis carrie..you know much better than federer's own doctor....and if i can quote you earlier.....you have posted rafa threads on federer threads...so don't go preaching to me honey....go have a word with yourself....as you say carrie....


quote:


It's in poor taste to use a thread devoted to Rafa's injury problems to proclaim how great the arrogant one is, and put Rafa down. Some people seem to have to keep convining themselves that Federer is some kind of invincible tennis player. I have my doubts about his mono - no one would be able to get to a GS final after suffering from mono. How many tournaments did Federer miss when he had mono - none! Curious.............unquote....

who has put rafa down? my oh my lady...you sure know how to twist the words...suggestion: go read the posts on the rafa thread p-r-o-p-e-r-l-y...that's right....count 'em up..and see the oceans of support for rafa....the guy is a-m-a-z-i-n-g...but do try to stop disrespecting the fed carrie...after all...aren't you talking about despising people for doing that to rafa? and yet you can do it to fed? oh my god...yeah...right....i get it carrie....i knew the 'new carrie...kind and sweet...' couldn't last for more than 2 minutes.......

go do some research on mono carrie...oh...i forgot....CARRIE IS THE EXPERT ON MONO? wow....i am in the company of greatness with you girl......you seem to know everything about federer......and you say your not a fan of his? I reckon you are a closet fan....come out carrie...come out...and play!

stop ya silly carpin' woman and grow up.....you disrespect federer so much and yet you profess not to......you are becoming a joke carrie.....

homos and you and made for each other....enjoy....

have always been respectful to rafa...always...but the more posts i read from you...the more i think....no matter what you say..you cannot educate those who dont want to learn....you seem to come up with any excuse under the sun...when rafa loses a match it is because he is injured..or tired...or...whatever...

it's really childish...you need to take it like a man.....accept that rafa as No.1 has lost many more matches than anyone could have thought of.....and hell...he lost...as torres said...to a seeded player at that time....No.25..soderling in the FOURTH ROUND.....

apart from once to Warwinka.....at least the times when Fed has lost...it has been to one of the BIG FOUR....that cannot be said of Rafa...AZY...no matter how you wanna argue it....plus it took rafa THREE attempts to beat Federer at Wimby....and Murray has never beaten fed in a grand slam final....(he's only ever reached ONE)......so honestly...do a bit of research.....the likes of Federer will never come around again...he is just the consummate performer on and off the court.....

The above is an excerpt from your post above, if that's not putting Rafa down, I don't know what is.

the princess of cut n' paste...carrie...i do NOT...repeat...NOT have to justify my feelings to you......go read my posts about rafa.....read yours about roger...and see who puts who down...no contest...you are a joke.

For those that don't like Rafa fans 'bleating on about his knees' then I would suggest you not come to a thread specifically written about his injury. We Rafa fans can go on ALL we want about his injury to his knees in this thread because it is DEVOTED to that! It isn't about fed or anyone else. Those who don't like it, don't need to visit here because it looks like you just want to start a fight.

It is great news that Rafa is going to be ok, but I agree with Torres9, it is his responsability that he got injured this bad, he is lucky that he stills young and that tendinitis will get better but if he keep getting those episodes of tendinitis, his knees tendons will suffer sclerosis and get stiff and then it will be a fact that he wont be able to play more tennis, or maybe yes, but woulndt be Rafael Nadal as we know him. he should learn from this expirience, If he wants to play untill his late 20 or early 30 he must change his game style, he can do it, learn to serve better, learn to shot more decisive groundstroke with his forehand, learn to voley better and to plan better his schedule, loose some muscle mass, to put less pressure on his knees, learn to use the slice more efficiently, so he can have more time to get to the ball and not have the need to run so much. In a few words, he shoull make his game system more sustainable, because if not, he will get injured over and over again, and every time he will come back a worse player. He is without a doubt one of the GOATS, but if he really loves the game, he should worry more for playing and enjoying it, that of winning tournament after tournament.
I dont want to get into the arguing about the same thing over and over, but I just want to add a coment to AZN. First of all, you dont have to insult Malt to make a point, she has the right to write whatever she wants, you can choose to read it or not. Second, ( and this forums topic is not about this) This generation of tennis players is a product and a concecuence of Sampras and Agassi Era, as well as Sampras and Agassi generation was a product and a consecuence of the previous one, and on and on. The sport can only evolve, not involve, maybe the game is not played as it just to be played, the rackets have changed, the courts have changed, the style, speed, tactics, and strategy have changed. But the truth is that more people play tennis today than before, so if there were, lets say, 10000 players 20 years ago, and today there are 50000 ( i dont know those fact for sure) So the guy who is the best among 50000, in a sport that has evolved, and become more competitive, fast, and demmanding, cant be called a king of mediocre s players. You are insulting and entire generation, which , by the way, was educated by Sampras generation. I believe that that argument is lacking solid basis, and is inspired only by your disliking of Federer, and you have the right to dislike him, and criticize him all you want, but use convincing arguments, because every single one of his 59 titles, have been won with work, effort, talent, and most important, intelligence...

mdmch: I suggest that you read this thread FROM THE BEGINNING (including the very first comment placed on this topic) and you will see how it came to be that AZN said that about malt. There were many posts by her BEFORE azn even came onto here.

"First of all, you dont have to insult Malt to make a point, she has the right to write whatever she wants, you can choose to read it or not."

Look at malt's posts BEFORE azn came in here! Malt does NOT have to insult others to make a point and we have the right to write whatever we want, especially seeing as we were trying to talk about the topic this thread is about. She can choose to read it or not! Your rules apply to all mdmch!

fan4tennis...you really are a piece of work...you are asked pertinent, relevant questions by me about rafa's injury...YOU choose not to answer....i got some research for YOU about the golden slam...which by the way....you got wrong....YOU refused to acknowledge this...preferring your own high and mighty mountain to preach from because you hate being wrong...when i was only trying to give you the RIGHT information....YOU post disrespectful, insulting threads on federer when all fedfans were enjoying his matches........

you then come on this thread to say what you have to say....twist it until you are mangled by your own deception and project the blame onto others......

YOU have NO humour...YOU recognise nothing except attack....you have no reason to be this way....many times I have said to you that i think you are strong, clever woman...with a lot to offer...you come back with insults....

YOU don't apply YOUR own rules....conversations twist and turn....one thing leads to another...if you promise not to post on federer threads then i can easily do likewise....but your not going to do that...rather than own up to your own inadequacies and accept when you were wrong...you seem to love the fact that you have other trashers on this forum and somehow become an enormous large peacock...fluffing up her feathers and looking down on everyone who disagrees with you.....and you say you are 50 years old? are you for real? wouldn't a 50 year old behave more appropriately?

Secondly......mdmuch...you will remember that when you wrote something similar about your perception of rafa's injury....cheryl murray came on and posted her agreement saying that she wished others on this forum were as measured and reasoned in their analysis about rafa's injury...so cheryl agreed with you........

I really wouldn't worry about fan4tennis, mdmuch...she sees nothing but her own reflection in the mirror....she is beautiful...everyone else is ugly...she is right...everyone else is wrong...she is rafa's doctor....everyone else is the patient.....she knows the colour of federer's underpants..everyone else is naked....know what I am saying....

we are in the company of greatness with fan4tennis...we need to bow to her greater knowledge and treat the women with kid gloves.....

Look, F4T, I usually read all the post before I write to "listen" to other peoples opinions and avoid saying something that someone else already did. I dont belive we are divided in teams ( the Federer team, and the nadal team) if I make a comment to "non federer" fan, i dont make it because he attacked one of my team, i make it because I expect to read about the topic in this forum, and not a bunch of insults from one to another. You are right, the rules aply to everyone, but To say "...being a prick only helps to justify the state of you IQ (AZNIAZN)", I dont know why, but seems to me like an unjustified insult, and not part of the topic we are discussing here.
I agree with you that you shouldn't have been answered like you were from Malt, after your first post. And please I invite you and everybody to stick to the topic and not falling again and again on a moral discussion about players characters. I do believe that Federer is sometimes arrogant, but i also believe that his arrogance is earned, is a flaw that he has the right to have, like Nadal has the right, even thou i dont fancy it, to pull his shorts before every service, or Murray to show his teeth... They are human beings like you and me, not better or worse, the only difference is that they are the best at what they do, and what they do happens to have a very high profile

Get Well Message to Rafa:

Rafa, you are on the minds of all your devoted fans, because you are somehow ailing, but we know that your response to any challenge has always been unfailing.
We are confident you'll win again, and you'll be back on top in no time. If we could we'd wave a magic wand to make all your woes go away, and we would transmit healing vibes to make you whole again. Just know you're in our thoughts until you pick up your racket again, and show them who is boss.

You are the brightest star tennis has at the moment, and you are sorely missed!!!!

VAMOS RAFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET WELL SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PERFECTLY SAID CARRIE!! THANK YOU!

mdmuch......seriously......really enjoy reading your posts..the first line of this thread was supposed to make fft have a bit of a giggle.....what a mistake....she did get very over the top with the rafa comments....so for now...just leave it....any comments by so called tennis fans who perceive themselves as 'class'..when they se the language you refer to..speaks for itself...it needs no comment.....

It appears that some people take great delight in Rafa's woes.

Please let's devote this thread to those who wish Rafa well, not people who want to gloat in his misfortune.

I bet Rafa is approaching rehab for his knee like he does for a match. Giving it his all! That pool he talked about is probably great after a day of rehab! I hope in his relaxation times, that he is able to find peace with everything going on. I hope his friends and girlfriend help him along the way. I just hate to see him in pain.

Carrie...for the FINAL TIME....NO ONE IS GLOATING AT RAFA'S 'MISFORTUNE' as you put it...GIVE IT A REST......how can you say this when YOU have been away on holiday for what seems a lifetime....do me a favour and yourself....and READ the POSTS...no more carrie....you are pathetic.

I think USO is a battle between Rafa and Murray. Rafa won FO after an injury in one of the AO before this so not expecting less from Rafa from USO. DJoker is getting on form too.

Man, I wished I had a bit more time these days to read and write more posts here, really enjoy them.
Malteser.... what the hell is wrong with you on this thread? having a bad time at work or something? Don't know why you get so worked up about other people's comments - it all started cause fft simply said that the doctor seeing Nadal knows best, don't see anything wrong in that (but let's not go into it again - please).
Seems to me you're not doing yourself any favours by promptly criticising anyone who seems to have an opinion different to yours (and I'm referring to this thread only, mind you. Normally I enjoy your hearty contributions).
Along these lines I also have to ask why you complain about people who 'bleat on about an injury rather than enjoy wimby' in a thread that's labelled 'Doctor says Nadal knees will be fit in a few weeks'.... what d'u expect? ;)

hey torres, so Nadal 'doesn't even play the way tennis should be played and has turned it into a running sport' .............................. lol man, have you ever played tennis?
Anyway - it's really late here in Belgium and got to go to wake up early... so I bid you guys a fond day.. night .. or whatever and hope to read some more tomorrow

Peace in the tennis world





I can't believe you guys dimiss something like a divorce of one's parents as not having any effect at all on his game! But, hey!, that's just me..

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firm objections here...Torres...how the heck do u know how tennis is to be played???are there any rules that define how points are to be won????its a sports..a racket..net..ball ..2 players...U JUST GOTA WIN POINTS!!!! completely illogical arguments!! secondly...that mono thing..Oz open ws mono-hampered!!! nuthng more!!! prove it...spot any SINGLE article during last years wimbledon/RG that states that roger lost o rafa becoz he had mono!!! regarding the speculation of rafa's kness...u r gona find a million articles!!! and the guy's [arents were getting divorcd!! how in earth can u play at ur best in these circumstances??!!! THATS DAMN BAD LUCK!! ur roger federer himself has said it 2 times now..."i feel sorry for rafa,injuries are connected to playing styles and prepaeration but there is no doubt that u need luck,so i realize how LUCKY i have been"!!!! the time nadal got injured (mentally+physically) the worst posible time!! RG and wimb!

OMg Mole Tosser hahaha I like that one...

Hi Sireling, i agree entirely with you, except the bit where u mentioned Mal having a bad day at the office, lolz, i dont really think she's ever had a job thats why she finds all these time sitting in front of her comp and typing all day and tipping shitt at ppls at her will simply cos dats just the kind of loser she is and she knows she'll never be caught. Think bout it, as if anyones delusional enough to employ a total lunatic she is, and the kind of arguments that she came up were really screwd up and totally taken out of the context, twisted and re-made to sound like its strong but really its a load of crap that justifies why in certain parts of the world, ppls state of mind actually rewinds backwards.

I dont wanna waste my time discussing shitt bout Mole Tossers arguments on how brilliant fed is, how Rafa only beat him once on grass and winning RG. I mean give me a break, Compare a 19 and 20 yo rafa to a Fed whos already 25 at the time, then goes on and wipes out all of Rafa's achinevement over Fed by saying TAHTS COS ITS ON CLAY, then goes on shit about Rafa's world no.1 status was due to Fed's flu virus last yr that LASTED THE WHOLE YEAR (LMAO), and finally keeps on using SOderling example to beat down Rafa when he's clearly injured but just pretending to play on cos thats his character, when Fed himself has choked over and over agin these days to the likes of Simon, Murrray, Wawrinka, Djoko to name a few, i mean plsss......

The truth is Rafa IS injured and that is solid as, and the fact that someone would talk down a player and beat the crap out of him when he isn't even playing is just appaling, Mole Tosser is the kind of chick that would kick the shit out of a dog when its lying there injured cos thats exactly the kind of vibe i'm getting from her from all of her insulting comments towards Rafa.

The fact that she keeps on talkin shit and emphasizing on Rafa been beaten by Soderling, and sees things so one sided is beyond my rasonable comprehension, even comin from a Fed fan, i mean i've seen some pretty sore fed fans out there, Torres is another one, if i ever get a chance i 'll get around her don worry, but the truth is I ACTUALLY HAVE A LIFE, so i dont spend hrs and hrs day and night refreshing my pages just to target the next Rafa fan and have a good at em, YOU SHOULD GO OUT MORE MAULSER, cos it actually helps you to understand a lot of things, something posting 80 threads a day would never do.

FULL STOP.

malteser1 needs to find a job, this is becoming a full time obsession and cannot be good for her fingers!!!

Relax , malt , it's only a game and Roger doesn't know you exist...

It's been peaceful now for a good while. Let's keep it that way and go back to the topic at hand!

I am pretty sure Rafa is keeping in shape, just not doing exercises that involve his knee unless he is in therapy. He has a full gym at home and even made a video about his exercise routine and the importance of stretching. I wonder if he is getting any better at PlayStation tho--lol.

i had great joy this morning AZY scrolling down your post and ignoring...for the most part...what you said.....perhaps have a word with your 50 year old homegirl, fan4tennis...she is the one obsessed here...not me....oh...right...yeah...you guys stick together like glue...when you are wrong and show nooooo objectivity.....complete hypocrites.

shireling.....thanks for the advice....
nam1...relax yourself...i'm cool thanks..

Of course there is no rules prohibiting players from running like a rabbit all over the court to return and of course in tennis there is running but Rafa relies heavily on his speed and without speed he is just a normal player.

And also in AO2009 Fed was mono-hampered but this effect is usually there for about 6 months. No need an article to see Fed lost momentum when he is a step slower but hey, still managed to push Rafa to 5 sets which aint bad at all. And there is no way anyone will know exactly when Rafa knees starts to ache but he had no problem winning 3 clay titles and was as fast as normal. Saying Rafa lost in RG and Madrid because of knees is just an excuse.

Soderling and Fed beat Rafa fair and square. Even if Rafa had good knees, he would have lost anyway.

Gr8 news all you lovely Rafa fans! Best.

torres, why can't you Fedfanatics understand that this thread is not about Federer.

So Federer had mono in AO 2009? Is he ever going to get over it???????

I think we could all let this one go... let's move on to the next subject
Jeez Murray really beat the crap out of Gulbis yesterday! (oops, sorry, this is for another thread).

To let this one go and move on to the next subject, is to say whilst Rafa is out of sight he should be out of mind. We don't want to forget him, and his fans are going through agony not seeing him at Wimbledon, and not knowing the latest news.

There are other threads to post on other subjects.

mono's effect lasts for 6 months...rafa wud have lost even if he had good knees...ARE U god???? mario ancic is still suffering from mono efects and roger himself said that he HAD NO mono effects after apriL!! so this shows that any disease ...no matter wht kind of disease ..can last for indefinite time period.U are confusing us and urself dude."rafa is normal player widout speed"...where wud federer stand widout his serve???? widout his forehand????his served rescued him so many times during RG 09!!!So is it rite to say hez average widout serve and forehand??huuhh

and ..roger federer got humiliated at the hands of james blake at the beijing olympics!!! exactly after one week he came out firing at US open??? how ??how??how??is that black magic??i mean that mono effect vanished after one week??till the date he kept on losing u had that stupid mono thing!! US open final 08 was VINTAGE federer!! like 06 one!!! thats crap u are referring to mate!! "no need for articles"..wow..are u the judge here?? we all argue and are supposed to back up wid solid evidence!!! find some and then argue..no point to argue here !!

torres.....roger's doctor gave a statement on roger's mono to say that it can stay in the system for up to a year (re: recovery)...but as you know.....glandular fever will ALWAYS stay in the system as a dormant virus.....reoccurring under times of stress and in contact with infected saliva......

vamosrafa....fan4tennis...carrie...this is the article that i was talking about regarding rafa's knees from professor Angus Wallace, chair of National Institute of Sports Medicine...a consultant to all tennis players on the ATP tour....

i am just gonna post his words...you can choose to ignore it or read it...its up to you...printed in the independent..saturday...20 June...


Tendinitis means inflammation of a tendon. In tennis players whose knees are affected, the commonest type is patellar tendonitis, cause by 'repetitive overuse'.

The condition causes pain at the front of the knee just below the patella (kneecap) and is worst when the knee is flexed, as when bending for a low shot.

Professor Angus Wallace said it could be difficult to predict how long Rafael Nadal might take to recover.

'It will be aggravated by continuing to play. If it is aggravated badly it will set him back for other tournaments. The injury is usually related to over-use combined with small tears of the tendon where it is attached to the bone'. Professor Wallace said the injury would need treatment. Physiotherapy, involving transverse rubbing across the tendon, could help. Ultrasound was also sometimes used. In severe cases surgery can be required but is not often used.

The injury is not career-ending and with rest would probably resolve within a fortnight, Professor Wallace said.

In an older, less fit person it could take months to heal.

Nice words Malteser1.

Carrie,
Didn't say we want to forget Rafa............. just this thread........... I think Rafa's knee problems are plain and clear to everybody in the tennis world by now.
Let's create a new headline shall we, something in the lines of
'What a Rafaless Wimbledon means to tennis fans' or whatever.........

Wimby without Rafa is still Wimby. Soderling, the Rafa Slayer is there. Murray, the rising Scot is there, Djoker the Sensational Serbian is there, Gonzalez the forehand monster is there, Roddick the Serve Boomer is there, Hewitt the ultimate Fighter is there.

No Rafa, no problem.

http://www.mallorcadiario.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&i d=45359&Itemid=33

can someone Translate please?...i believe that it says that rafa is thinking of playing in the DC

vamosrafa, Fed is slower nowadays and still can win tournaments against young dynamic players (proven in RG). A slow Nadal finds it hard to beat a player like Soderling because he cant get to the balls fast enough and do not have shot accuracy to fall back on.

alik: That's all I have heard too. He is just thinking about it and may be named as an alternate so he can be there with his team as they play. I think Sunday is the day it will be announced.

Going by the words of the doctor ACTUALLY treating Rafa who knows ALL the ins and outs of Rafa's case, he said 3-4 weeks of healing. One week has already passed so we're down to 2-3 weeks left.

I like Wimby and am cheering for Murray since Rafa is out, but it just isn't the same like carrie and Shireling said. Even the commentators spoke alot about it. Makes it harder when people can't read a topic and just come here to pick a fight. If you like fighting that much, then I suggest you look into the sport of boxing.

"can someone Translate please? .."

why not take advantage of http://translate.google.com

yeah fan4tennis...so why do you always start picking fights when clearly you put ACTUALLY and ALL in capitals....when i try to post what i said i would to both you and carrie...you STILL DONT ACCEPT IT...what is wrong with you? You seem to have a PROBLEM fan4tennis with accepting what PROFESSORS have to say...in case you didn't realise...a consultant/professor is higher up in the medical profession than a GP....a GP (general practitioner or doctor)..will have TAKEN ADVICE from a consultant....no one is trying to start a fight here fft EXCEPT YOU......

Rather than accepting this and perhaps even thinking that i might be trying to give some peace of mind after what the PROFESSOR CONSULTANT said..your retort is both RUDE and DISMISSIVE...i dont even know why you do it.....

rafa doesn't know you exist you know.....can I suggest you actually take up boxing fan4tennis...or is it that you are already the world champion of THAT sport as well? you truly are the rudest person i have ever met on this forum....what are you like this? why cant you be gracious? and to think that if i had seen rafa...i would have tried to get his autograph for you as i said two weeks ago....you are NOT a very nice person fft...

torres...u are so good at diminising arguments to short statements and running away..lol....dont talk abt fed's speed.Because we arent discussing that...half a step slower...atleast he isnt in pain!! atleast he is feeling comfortable...when rafa wil return he will answer everythng...such a supernormal athlete that it takes 3-4 weeks to refresh his body!! where others wud take 6-7 weeks!! he si GOD GIFTED!

vamosrafa...all our favourite players are human as you know...or they wouldn't get injured...would they? they are still our very own 'super heros' though.....

i think that roger has had to alter his game in order to be able to beat rafa and that has meant more of a strategy in place against him rather than long rallies.....you know about the new shots in fed's arsenal....and he is sublime at using them....am sure that rafa will have reflected a lot whilst he has been off recouperating...and perhaps even decided to play fewer tournys as well as work out a way to beat roger...tho' roger is just growing in confidence and getting stronger.....
nevertheless rafa is still no. 1 of course....and deservedly so......

Vamosrafa, I dunno what u mean by avoiding arguments. I talk speed and you talk about forehands. Your analogies are always inaccurate. Consider this,

Fed minus speed = above average player (still can push Rafa to 5 sets)
Nadal minus speed = normal player (lost to Soderling)
Fed minus speed+forehand+serve = normal player (coz he has slice and pace-variety)
Nadal minus speed+forehand+serve = challenger event player (no variety)

Wimby will still be Wimby no matter what torres, but a thread asking fans how they feel at wimblendon witout Rafa would be a nice alternative topic while we let those knees heel...
malteser - I would still get that signature for fft :)
alik - sorry, wanted to translate but the page is off limits if you don't register.. and I kind of pass on that
Way to go Verdasco! Way to go Fed! Way to go Djoko! Way to go Murray! things are getting interesting :)

thank you Posmatrac...i will try that site.
thanks for trying Shireling...when i pull up the page it just pops-up..it is a mag in Mallorca,spain(idk)

Hey alik,

I found the article you were referring to by navigating throught the site :)
I is from a local newspaper of Mallorca and they in turn refer to some information posted by diario marca in Spain (sports newspaper that sometimes isn't the most objective of sources [especially when it comes to football - soccer]) here's what it says:
According to marca, Nadal seems to be recovering fine from his tendinitis and wants to be with the rest of the 'armada' in Marbella playing Davis cup vs Germany.
Marca also says that the spanish Davis Cup captain, Albert Costa (former RG champion) has postponed his decision of announcing who will play in the team having been asked by Rafa to wait until Sunday to make his decision - so apparently he will announce who's playing next 30 June.
The players most likely to be chosen are Verdasco, Lopez (Feliciano), Ferrer & Robredo

I've just seen Rafa at Wimbledon - well only on film! They just showed a clip of him on the roof making his way to the King and Queen of spain last year.

torres...by avoiding arguments i mean thatu RUNAWAY!!! all that shit abt mono..i refered to that stuff by giving sum evidence and u seemed to skip that! and considering ur minus plus method....who are u to gauge that??? nadal minus speed lost to soderling! HOW are u so sure that it ws only speed??its ur opinion bt u will find many many ppl saying that it ws nt only speed..it ws also lapses in concentration due to SEVERE family problems!!plus...when u have an injury its different..as nadal said "when i used to step on court i used to think more abt my injury than my game and the opponent"!!!! thats MUCH MORE DEVASTATING becoz at professional level a couple of pnts could well make the winning difference.roger wasnt even aware of his mono!! hahahaha...so no effect on focus whatsoever...and the core of ur argument as usual is defective....why nt take it this way " a slow nadal BEAT roger federer at the OZ open final!!!!!!! yes he might have been slow!! who knws??u cant run at 100% speed after having an epic wid verdasco where u had to run run run miles!!!and then unfairly cum back wid a rest of 1.5 days less!! still he won!!! and atlesat my argument ws backed up by a skysports commentator sorry i dont remember the name bt he said that if an energy lacking rafa ws able to beat a 100% roger in 5 sets then wht wud have been the result had rafa been 100% energetic!! may b rafa in 3 or 4 convincing sets!!! thats wht a commentator said !!!

lollllz..vamos rafaaaa!!!!

Found this article that Nadal is building a holiday villa in Ibiza:

Rafael Nadal has bought a holiday villa in Ibiza. Nadal pulled out of Wimbledon due to problems with his knees. Britain's hopes are pinned on Andy Murray, who chose to move house the week before Wimbledon.

Nadal is joining the rich and famous, including Danni Minogue, with Ibiza villas. Although Nadal will not be playing in this year's Wimbledon, which begins today, The Mail on Sunday hopes he takes comfort in the fact his Ibizan holiday home is "coming along nicely".

23 year old Nadal's new home is being built in the San Jose area of Ibiza. Nadal will be able to relax on the popular beach of Cala Jondal, where it is said holidaymakers can pay up to £70 to hire a sunlounger for a day.

"Ibiza has gained a reputation in the past two years for contemporary architecture," said a local builder. "You now see various examples of incredible, large villas dotted around the hillsides, costing millions of pounds."

Commenting on Nadal's choice of location, he joked: "It's a bit of one-upmanship for Ibiza that Nadal [who is from Mallorca] has chosen to build himself a lavish holiday home here."

Thanks for the article carrie. He has spent some holidays in Ibiza so he probably knows the island well. I think (not sure) that Ibiza is one of the Balearic Islands, which Rafa does promos for advertising the islands. He deserves a place where he can relax and maybe there is a place he can do it away from the prying eyes of the press that always bug him.


There are plenty of other fed threads to write about him. Why come here to do that? Why devote an entire post to insulting a Rafa fan who has stated many times since Rafa withdrew that she won't answer or reply? I can only think of one reason.... you want a fight. Let us be with our Rafa thoughts!

thank you Shireling,i guess we will know next week if Rafa will play DC or not.
In a way i hope that he does not play but...then again i know that he loves that team stuff and playing will help him with his confidence

The news about Rafael's parents is unfortunate. Hope he recuperates and concentrates on tennis.

vamosrafa, I need not runaway from anything. Rafa said after Oz Open final,'I was tired but legs have the answer'. Obviously he depends on speed. And his family problems have started a long time ago. Definitely not the reason why he lost to Soderling. He was just not fast and got beaten. So easy to see. It is ur argument that is defective.

u dont seem to get the point..ok he was slow in that soderling mtch...but many rafa fans say there were also MENTAL obstacle and they have every rite to say so!after wht rafa has been thru.Regarding the Oz final..well rafa wasnt even able to utilize his speed to 100% but still BEAT federer!! wow!! superhuman!!incredible!

Nope... I saw the match and he was as quick as he was in the verdasco match.. Fed wasnt able to utilize his serve to 100% becoz he was definitely thinking about getting the 14th Slam. Well, all is well now. Fed won RG and is also the greatest player in the modern era.

Rafa could beat Fed but lost to Soderling... WOW!! Incredible! Superhuman!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/21/andy-murray-rafael-nadal-w imbledon

Vamosrafa, this article is for you.Murray said. "I actually went away for three or four weeks after that and trained really, really hard over in the States, down in Miami in really warm conditions. I realised that I was in good shape then, but I lost to someone like Rafa, who's probably one of the best ATHLETES to ever play tennis (and) I needed to improve that side of my game. It was after Wimbledon I pushed on. I just learnt a lot from the loss to Rafa. I realised I needed to get fitter and stronger. I went away and worked on it."

Even Murray said that Rafa is one of the best ATHLETE to play tennis. Go argue with him.

Tennis is happy to hear this news, G0d knows we can't take the FedEx wins cause Rafa is absent. maybe the great Rafa can string together 3 GS finals and stop making excuses for his loses...

"G0d knows we can't take the FedEx wins cause Rafa is absent. maybe the great Rafa can string together 3 GS finals and stop making excuses for his loses.. "

siyab ,,im curious ...are u a fedfan , rafafan or just plain sour ?
and dont say "we cant take the .." ...its just you and a handful others ....look at the french open finals and see the crowd react ...

C'MON !!

torre9,
You seem to be of the opinion that athletisim is a quality that undermines or makes up for a lack of skill when playing tennis. I don't think this is so...
I've been following up tennis for a long time and I'm amazed at Rafa's skill - he's a far more technical player than people give him credit for, it's just that his physique is very intimidating and he naturally exploits this fact. Nobody wins as much as he has in tennis only by being a powerful athelete; just as nobody wins it with just pure skill (the Fed is amazingly fit as well).

Fedexfan

I'm a die-hard Fedex fan, Just that lately you might as well mute the tele when watching tennis with all the talk of the missing Rafa. makes me sick. The guy needs to get back but unfort even when he's in a tourney and loses theres always an excuse...

about the 3 GS finals statement, its just amasing that someone can be hailed as current cornerstone for tennis but can't even string together 3 GS finals in one go and loses last two tourneys on his magic dirt surface

siyab--- RAFA is not making EXCUSES for his losses...YOU and the OTHERS who are putting WORDS to his mouth WHO are making it! If you don't want to hear "Rafa is being missed" at Wimby, STAY away from TENNIS, because that's the reality... ANY major tourny WITHOUT RAFA is half exciting, accept it or not,....so brace yourself, you'll HEAR his name 'till the last shot hit @ Wimbledon!!!

Rafans,
What do you think Rafa should do to improve his game to shorten the length of his rallies, when he comes back from injury? I think it would help him a great deal if he improves his serve to be able to get out of jail quick with an ace here and there.

Everyone thinks that Rafa is tennis most dazzling attraction. He is the rock star of tennis, the one whose phine number girls keep asking for, not the man with the cardigan or waistcoat who only appeals to old fashioned squares.

We all know that this Wimbledon is like strawberries without the cream, like a wedding without the bride.

Edit:

Everyone thinks that Rafa is tennis most dazzling attraction. He is the rock star of tennis, the one whose PHONE number girls keep asking for, not the man with the cardigan or waistcoat who only appeals to old fashioned squares.

http://www.diariosur.es/20090629/deportes/mas-deportes/nadal-jugara-co pa-davis-200906291308.html
from what i understand rafa will not play in the DC.

Siyab , I agree with u when it comes to Rafa's consistency in Grand Slams ..especially in Australia and the US ..the record is really bad ( especially when people try to compare him to Fed) . But i dont think he makes up excuses . His fans do normally ...they always take out insurance policies ....he is tired ...his knees gona pop up ...crap like that ...he might come on TV like in madrid and say he was fine and lost fair and square ...but yet his fans take the privilages in makes stuff up.

C'MON

fexdex fan..rafa has won 85% of his slam mtches..roger 87%!!! nt much difference given that rafa is gona improve this record definitely

torres..have u lost ur mins?? WHEN DID I SAY RAFA isnt the best athlete??yes he is !! but much more than that!! there are also many more athlets but nowhere near his caliber..and u say that " saw the match and he was as quick as he was in the verdasco match"!!! are u the only tennis pundit here!!lollz...its not possible to gauge those minor differences in speed by watching on tv!! where the heck were u when roger struggled against tipsarivic in Oz open 08 and also against nole!!! he was chasing all drop shots like he had a motor !! it ws only afer the reprots came after Oz that suggestd mono!!! then u startd using that excuse..if u had such good eyes why didnt u ppl state thath roger had mono DURING THE OZ!!!

Vamosrafa, 85 vs 87% may b close but when RG is the only consistant stat builder in Rafa's 85% something has 2 b said about consistancy on all round play on all GS's. So he had a successful AO but couldn't follow it up with his bread and butter RG. Fedex on other hand is in last four GS finals with 2 trophies @ home...whats rafa done in last four GS's

vamosrafa.....once again....roger DID have mono during OZ...his doctor put out a presser...go and read it..

carrie...do you know anything about what Roger's wardrobe and how sponsors work? It was Nike's idea for Roger to wear the waistcoat and the motifed white jacket and trousers......you know...a bit like when rafa wore his pink shirt at roland garros...and trust me there were a lot of people that didn't like rafa's pink shirt saying it was a bit too...girlie.....go read some of the articles about that

as for the cardigan and waistcoat...if nike want roger to wear it cos it oozes class and history..then so be it....

better than dressing like some 'lucky' bag lady carrie....you show no appreciation of the historical nature of wimbledon..and if you read the fashion pages of wimby...you will see that what roger was wearing was very 'in vogue'....

actually he could wear a black plastic bag and still look classy....you should put a brown paper bag over your head and see if that makes you look any better tho' i doubt it.......it's a shame carrie....because things weren't too bad until you started attacking with your childish insults again....i don't think as fedfans we should have to put up with your sour attacks and nastiness towards roger any more...

he could teach you a thing or two about how to dress and a thing or two about class.....neither of which you have any clue about...go book another holiday and give us all a rest....

C'MON!

Rafans,

There is a really good Get Well video on Rafa's website from fans all over the world wishing him well.

Torres I agree with you that Rafa`s style main column is his athleticism but he also has his Top, side spin which comes from his big left arm. That effect he makes on the ball alows him to make winner from all over the court, So yes, his speed is his main weapon, but without that technical advantage he wouldn't have gotten so far. Not to talk about his intelligence on court, and I also believe that the fact that he is a lefty is an advantage, because he can play to the weaker backhands of most players ( who are right), He also has one extremely impressive shot that is his crosscourt backhand, specially important weapon against Federer forehand.
Carrie, I am not a Rafan, but I would like to offer an answer to your previous question. First of all, I believe he should loose some muscle mass, if he weights less he can run even faster without the same pressure on his knees. He can also learn how to flatten his shots a little more, So he can make a topspin, flat shot combination and end points quicker. He can learn to use more consistently his slice, i always see him using the slice as an approach shot, but not as a defensive one, If he uses more slices he can get to the middle of the court without running so fast. He can also get up to the net, making his game also vertical, not just horizontal. That way he can avoid long rallies. And the last thing that i believe he can do, is learn to let go more points. He always tries to fight every point, and that has a mental effect on the opponent, but also a deleterious effect on his knees..

mdmch, I know he has that topspin but without speed Federer could easily beat Nadal. Nuff said.

Anyway, Fed with mono still was brave enough to show up in AO2008 and faced the prospect of getting beaten by Djoker or whoever and also showed up in RG to get destroyed by Rafa in final. But Rafa with knee problems chose to chicken out and not face the prospect of getting beaten by Lleyton in 2nd round.

Chicken... chicken...chicken..

mdmch, I agree that a leaner Rafa would be more efficient. I do believe, though, that an improved serve would do wonders for him. Lately he's not been getting enough first serves in which means he has had to rally on the second serve to win the point; he has also been dropping his serve a lot, probably because he is impeded by his knee problem, so a few aces would not go amiss.

All your other points are areas that would definitely improve his game, but if he is looking for a quick fix, I think the serve would be the quicker route.

Yes, you are right, I forgot about the serve, but I believe that is like a black hole in his game, he has always had trouble with his serve, that's why he takes so long to serve and he always aims for a high percentage and not a devastating ( but unsafer) serve like Federer or Djok

The fed fans are determined to use a thread ENTIRELY about Nadal, to talk trash about him and play up "their fashion queen". The mods of course, will do nothing about it. They probably couldn't write an article about fed's new wardrobe because they couldn't stop laughing everytime they looked at it! Military style on someone from a neutral country??? Let's hope he doesn't put it on backwards again like he did before. And that crap that Nike made him wear it and he has no say is just BS! A man of fed's stature (so all you fedfans say) doesn't have a say in what he wears in a GS???

mapsycho had this to say:
"i actually don't mind people criticising/giving an opinion when fed mentions his back/his mono at that time..because it's true...it cannot be argued...especially when his doctor posted a statement to say so....so it kind of doesn't bother me at all....it's no different to novak saying that he was suffering breathing problems from asthma when he pulled out of the AO against Roddick.....or rafa with this knees...or when murray withdrew from wimby 2 years ago when he injured his thumb.....it's all factual...so be it...."

Well then quit complaining when people talk about his mono!!!! (since you don't mind people criticising when he brings up his mono). And the big thing said is that Roger had a note from his doctor so that means it's true. Well, so did Rafa, notes and interviews, but you still want to call it an excuse. If Rafa's knees are an excuse, then so is Roger's mono! You guys can't have it both ways!

Or should we go the zoey route and claim that only by Rafa's withdrawal did it make his injury legitimate? How many tournys did fed "withdraw" from because of mono because otherwise, a fed fan says it's not legit!

Am expecting a long, rambling, insult-filled, tirade from whatsherface cuz that's all she ever does (when she isn't fantasizing about fed). My last post is exactly what Rafa fans have always been subjected to from her and since the mods see no problem with her doing it, then there shouldn't be a problem with me doing it back! At least Rafa fans can think on their own whereas most fed fanatics on this site are moldy's puppets. She tells you how to think, what to say, who to ignore........don't deny it! There are tons of posts to prove my point!

f4t, how can a fan of the fashion criminal, Rafa get to criticize Fed's style. OK, military suit isn't so trendy, I admit. But Rafa has been violating fashion as early as he began screaming vamos.

Not only is his sleeveless attire show his underarm bush every time he executes his helicopter finish but his pirate pants get stuck in his behind which prompts the butt-picking. And what's with the Karate Kid bandannas he used to where.

We all thought he had finally knocked in some fashion sense with his attire in AO2009 but proved us wrong with his pink t-shirt. The manly Rafa actually has a taste for PINK... wow... all he needed was a pink handbag during RG...

I think he lost to Soderling not because of knees or lost of concentration, it's becoz by wearing pink, the incredible Hulk looked like romantic Hulk to Soderling and resulted in Rafa being bamboozled by Soderling.

toress99, i like your essays and pink color improvisations, but before you get carried away please read this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/28/rafael-nadal-knee- injury-wimbledon

if you already knew these facts and still chose to go with your rafa-chicken-federer-doesnt-need-kleenex theory, well that's not nice.

post, please post a non-broken link

just remove the space character before word injury, don't know how it got inserted there.

Why did he played exho if he wanted to save his knees. He shouldnt have played at all if it is that bad. But I always predicted that Nadal will retire before Fed.

I've read the article, and I hope the dutch doctor's prognosis is not right, although I can see his logic. Tennis needs Rafa, if he changes his style he will last longer. This is the price he is paying for being so successful so young.

Malteser..When did I say roger didnt have MONO?? yes he had it...i know it quite well.BUT..he didnt know abt it before and during the tournament!!! it was AFTER the tournament my dear friend....i was making a point ..read carefully!

COnsitency...rafa not being able to win his bread and butter RG had reasons....mental and physical barriers were there!! federer admittd this thing by saying that feels very sorry for rafa becoz he feels he has BEEN VERY LUCKY to stay injury-free and healthy in so many slams...he said playing styles and preperations are imp but LUCK is always there...so not rafa's fault that he faced those family issues and that injury came out on thte surface in the worst possible time..RG and wimbledon!

had he not played those exhos..then many idiots wud have come out shouting that he didnt even TRY!!! so stop babbling this..they were just two mtches to gauge where his knee was..and it gave him a good idea and now is receiving proper medical attention.

He is not gona retire before roger..surely.He is a supernatural athlete who requires only a month or a couple to get recovered from any injury!his recovery is miraculously fast al the time!temporary hiccups will b there but he will keep on playing for long inshallah.

hey mdmch,

Nice knowledgable & constructive comments, thx. I agree with you with everything. Just one comment about Nadal never using the slice as a defensive shot.. he has been using this lately more and more and we saw it in some of the clay season matches this year.
I don't know if it's possible for Nadal to lose muscle mass.. this is just the way he's built - have you see his uncle? he used to play as a defender in Barcelona football club and is a complete giant. He could always give less focus to his upper body training but frankly I don't think he'd get any better by doing that.
Btw, you also showed me a new word = 'deleterious' , cool :)
torres
I can't believe how disrespectul you are about Rafa (not that he reads these threads anyway - though it wouldn't hurt him to pop in from time to time :) and to Rafa fans!
'rafa has been violating fashion as early as he began screaming vamos', and just what the f* is this supposed to mean exactly? what the hell does saying 'vamos' have to do with fashion and why isn't the guy supposed to say 'c'mon' to spur himself when he gets a good one in?
Not even gonna comment about your attire diatribe - it speaks for itself.

lastly, alik
Nadal confirmed yesterday that he's still not fit enough for DC

It would be a glorious day when Rafa picks up his racquet again.

torres is always disrespectful to Rafa, but he keeps a low profile when Roger's game is on the wane. Calling Rafa chicken is so contrary to reality, that's why it was treated with the comtempt that it deserved. No one took you seriously, torres, because everyone knows Rafa is full of courage.

well said carrie...rafa is a WARRIOR and i cant wait to see the warrior back with his babolat SWORD!!! VAMOS RAFA!!

News just in on BBC that Rafa will not be fit enough to play in the Davis Cup.

Rafa is only full of courage when he is 100%. When he's not, he'll just run away. I still think Rafa will retire before Fed. Rafa's knees is that of a 33-year-old.

Rafa is only full of courage when he is 100%. When he's not, he'll just run away. I still think Rafa will retire before Fed. Rafa's knees is that of a 33-year-old.

torres9 , 6/30/09 5:24 PM

He says gleefully.

Yeah, that's why he played all those months, got hurt in Rotterdam and kept playing, even played when his knees were bothering him thru the clay season which means he wasn't at 100%. Torres is a joke as are his words. He'd turn on fed so fast the minute he goes downhill again just like he did after the AO. Then he was all gungho for Murray. Now that fed has won 2 tourneys, he's back as a joking blowhard. Just to remind everyone, Rafa, in just a half year of play, has equaled fed's results of the ENTIRE year of 2008!

BTW torres, you might want to talk to your puppetmaster. She claims that fed's military jacket (which is an absolute joke from a neutral nation) is 'so in fashion' and is the top trend!!!

Rafa fans have just heard that Rafa won't be playing in the Davis Cup.That's really sad news.

f4t, you are the biggest joke jumping on the Murray bandwagon since Rafa is out. Super-losers like you should just shut up. I never turned on Fed and never supported Murray more than Fed. Sorry, you got the wrong guy.

How can you compare Rafa achievement this year with Fed's achievement in 2008. Oh wait, Fed in 2008 in GS is 1SF,2F,1 GS... Rafa? 1GS,4thRound,ChickenOut, Unknown... How is Rafa's achievement this year is equal to Fed's 2008 and why dont you compare Fed's 2005-2007 to any Rafa's year. Oh My God... Fed's too superior...

I dont buy that Rafa is hurt during clay. Clay is soft on his knees. he just got beaten by Fed and Soderling who were better than him on the day. Sorry...

A fit Nadal wipes the floor with Federer!!!!!!!!!!

Nadal out of Davis Cup lineup

The top-ranked player, struggling with tendinitis in his knees that forced him to skip Wimbledon, was left off the team announced Tuesday for the matches in Marbella July 10-12.
Fernando Verdasco, David Ferrer, Feliciano Lopez and Tommy Robredo, together with Nicolas Almagro as the standby choice, were selected to make up the Spanish Davis Cup squad facing Germany in the quarterfinals of the competition to be staged in Marbella, lineup in which Rafael Nadal was not included.

Coach Albert Costa announced today in Pamplona the squad facing Germany and, after the rumors surrounding the chance of including Nadal in the lineup, explained the top-ranked player "is not well and we have to let him rest."

patellar tendinitis ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/06/28/2009-0 6-28_xray_vision.html

again, remove all space characters if inserted ....

postmatrac, thanks a lot for the link.

ok torres..then roger got his ass kicked so brutally by novak in oz 08 and by rafa in RG 08 and wimb 08!! u r an absolute retard if u try to bring mono here!

Yes, nadal injured his knees as a result of running for every ball which is not how tennis should be played but the boy has his own concept.

Haha... Oz08 got beaten by Nole in str8 sets, and then how did he respond? Beating Nole back is USO2008 in semis. And how does he respond to Rafa beating him in FO2008? WInning it in 2009!!! Haha... And not to mention beating Rafa in str8 sets in front of his own fans in Spain and on CLAY!!!!

U r a retard if you cant see how well my champ responded... hahahaha

Why do you guys even bother replying to torres9?
He/she is always trying to stir shit and watch the flies come out... just ignore him/her until she/he has actually something interesting to say.

As I say, a fit Nadal wipes the floor with Federer, he is also constantly beaten by Murray, and he is scared of Djokovic.

I'm a new poster here but I've been reading the posts here for quite sometime. I've refrained from posting because I've seen so many fights going on here mainly involving SOME Fed fans and SOME Nadal fans.

After reading what torres9 posted on this thread, I cant help but want to write something in response to what he/she had written. I think its disrespectful to Nadal when one said that he chicken out of a major tournament when he is not 100% fit.
Nadal has utmost respect for Wimbledon and as the defending champion, he certainly would want to participate. He took part in the exhibition matches to try out his knees to see if they are fit for competition. It turn out that they are not and therefore he had to withdraw from Wimbledon. Do you want to see a defending champion, being not physical fit, take part in the most prestigious tennis tournament and get knocked out in round one? It is not only embarrassing for the defending champion himself but its also embarrassing for the tournament, it may hurt the tournament's reputation! Nadal is professional enough not to do anything to harm both his and the tournament's reputation and I think he has made a right decision.

When one compares Federer's and Nadal's achievements, one has to view everything in the right perspective. Federer has been in the ATP tours at least three years longer than Nadal, (1998 vs 2001) and given Federer's talent and skill, he has achieved so much for all of us to see. Nadal being 5 years younger and in the tours 3 years later than Federer, its natural that his achievements todate couldn't match that of Federer's. We have to wait and see by the time both their tennis career ended, how their respective achievements compare or match each others. Whatever we speculate now, especially about Nadal having a short career, is really only pure speculation, for no one can forsee what will happen in the future. Medical science may be that advance that some seemingly career threatening injuries may be treated and become less threatening in future.

One more thing to add, Nadal is not winning matches solely because he can only run and run. Listen to what Federer and Murray have to say about Nadal in their interviews, Federer mentioned that many people have underestimated Nadal's talent and he mentioned that Nadal practically has two forehands; and Murray mentioned after his latest defeat to Nadal that Nadal has once again improved. Murray also mentioned that Nadal is his favourite player and he likes to watch him play especially the long rallies, for Nadal's rallies are more about point construction than just merely hitting the ball back. I'll certainly believe the words of the no.2 & no.3 guys more than anybody else's.

luckystar--- You'll GET USED to those posters here who JUST say things they DON'T really understand. They need EXORCISM to cast away those evil thoughts in their heads! But then, you'll enjoy this "place".... there are so many comments here that will make your lungs burst!!!

luckystar, there is hope that a permanent cure is here for Rafa's problems, see excerpt below from a specialist on the Daily News:

Recently, platelet rich plasma (PRP) has been used in some cases. This involves drawing the patient's blood and spinning it on a centrifuge to isolate the growth factors responsible for the healing process. These growth factors are then injected into the site of the tendinitis to enhance the own healing process. Though it is a newer treatment option, we have had a good degree of success using PRP so far. When all conservative measures fail, surgery can be a successful option. Surgery focuses on excision of the damaged portions of the tendon to relieve the inflammation and stimulate a healing response.

For Nadal to miss his chance to defend his Wimbledon title, he is clearly in a significant amount of pain from the tendinitis. Hopefully the injury will respond to conservative treatment options in time for the U.S. Open.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/06/28/2009 -06-28_xray_vision.html#ixzz0K05wJtPW&D

CARRIE---that's nice to know! Wimbledon is really "DRY", literally and figuratively, without the CHAMP. Murray and Djokovic are the players I'm hoping to gve us a good "show" his time....so far (aside from that Murray-Wawrinka match) ,it's been a bore!!!

agf, you are so right. I think we need a new look final this year, Murray and Djokovic will inject new excitement, and I think Djoko needs a break at Wimbledon. These two along with Nadal are part of the long term future of tennis.

Welcome to the club luckystar - thx for your comments :)
Don't worry about torres, he pokes his/her nose from time to time but is harmless enough :)
Thx carrie for the post - very interesting. (centrifuging your blood and injecting it back in - yikes!*)
Hey agf25agf - Ferrero Vs Gonzalez was cool too

Nice to hear from Luckystar and others here. And the advice to you is right: in essence, save your energy, stick to your guy's posts only and you're away.

I last posted the day before Rafa withdrew - unexpectedly called off-base, and I own no laptop - so of course I have missed plenty of excitement thread-wise. But at least I got a day at Wimbledon, even if this meant the frustration of seeing Tsonga unable to cope with the Karlovic barrage and the double frustration of Haas-Cilic called at 6-6 in the final set. [I figured Haas would welcome the respite though.]

There was an almost palpable strangeness to the whole show. The feeling I had was that everybody was keeping their powder dry for a Murray-Federer final showdown. But who knows? The only absolute QF shock right now would be a Murray loss.

Meanwhile we await positive news from Camp Rafa. Medical clearance is certainly useful, but now let's see when Rafa feels ready to get back out there.

Yes, Luckystar. Fed was in tour 3 years earlier than Nadal and I predict that he'll be in it 3 years longer than Nadal.

Yes, Nadal has 2 forehands. The helicopter finish and the wrap around body finish. Of course he's talented but it has been evident that he is overly dependent on speed.

But I think Fed is dominant because he always shows up even when he had mono in Oz2008 and FO2008. Not being afraid of losing to your rivals is what I consider a champion.

We're improving... now you're admitting that Nadal is talented torres... :)

People like Vamosrafa, carrie always take my posts to the extreme. I think what I said about Rafa's game is so obviously true but these guys just keep coming up with points to show that Rafa is not dependent on speed which I strongly disagree.

To think that a guy got to no.1 without talent is stupid. But I have to say that the most talented ever is Fed but doesn't mean Nadal's talent is zero.

And yes, I still think that if Rafa cared about his knees, he shouldn't play the exho and just rest and withdrew earlier and not create too much speculation whether he plays or not.

SHIRELING--- You're right, that ferrero-gonzalez match was exciting! On court now is FED and IVO... serve.....serve......serve......serve......YAWN!!!!

Thanks all of you for your comments and advices. Torres9, by saying that Nadal has two forehands, Federer meant that Nadal's two handed backhand is as good as a forehand, cos Nadal is actually right handed so his right hand actually adds strength to his two handed backhand.

When Fed shown up at AO 08, he did not know that he had mono in the first place. I believe his doctor would have advised him not to compete if they could find out earlier that he had mono. By FO 08, proper treatment and medication would have been given to Fed and he must have his doctor's clearance before he went ahead to compete. I'm sure if it is detrimental to his health, he would not compete in any tournament. It has nothing to do with how brave, or what a competitor he is, after all health is more important than anything else. Of course he is a great champion, I have no doubt about it. Likewise for Nadal, he is also a great champion, for he is able to play through pain without complaining, until it becomes unbearable that he has to stop. Both of them are not afraid of losing their matches, if not they would have withdrawn from many tournaments once they felt pain (knee pain, back pain), instead they choose to play through the pain.

I have respect for both of them, they are human and have flaws like all of us, so I will not idolise anyone of them. I just hope that all of us here will respect the two of them and also other players as well, so that the fighting here will stop.

Thanks all of you once again.

torres: To think that a guy got to no.1 without talent is stupid. But I have to say that the most talented ever is Fed but doesn't mean Nadal's talent is zero.

You are forgetting Nadal's 13:7 record against Federer, how can he be more talented than Rafa. Even Andy Murray beats Federer regularly.

I dont want to get into the H2H argument becoz we all know 11 of those meetings is on clay and if it was 11 meetings on grass, it's a different story. 14 GS compared to 6 GS and 0 GS is a record you should look into, carrie.

So matches on clay are not tennis matches? Federer has been playing for three more years than Rafa has, hence he's won more GS. In case you didn't know, until recently, all GS mathes were played on clay and grass. Both the AO and the USO were played on grass before they changed them to hard courts, so don't give me that.

Wow carrie, you are really delusional. What do you mean by until 'recently' AO and USO is played on hard courts. WHat do you mean 'recent'? Do you mean to say Fed played on grass AO and USO in the 3 years Nadal is not in ATP tour?

So next 3 years, Nadal will win same amount of GS as Fed? Fat chance since his knees will break down.

I'm saying that traditionally tennis was played on grass or clay, it was in 1988 that Australia changed to hard courts, and I can't remember when America changed, so you musn't think that victory on clay is not important.

Daily Mirror:

Andy Murray says Rafa Nadal will be missed at Wimbledon *

By Gary Fitzgerald 21/06/2009
Rafa Nadal (Pic:Getty)



Andy Murray sent out a "wish you were here" message to Rafa Nadal at Wimbledon yesterday.

The Scot claimed he and the tournament would miss the Spanish defending champion and fans' favourite, who had pulled out 24 hours earlier because of a knee problem.

Murray, whose odds to lift his first Major have been cut because of Nadal's absence, is hoping now to spoil Roger Federer's bid to overtake Pete Sampras in the Grand Slam title race.

And Murray, who has been warming up for the tournament by playing golf and driving karts, said of Nadal: "It's a shame he won't be here because he's my favourite player. "You want the defending champion in the tournament.

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"He's also one of the best players ever and it would have been nice to play him here. But I'm not the only one - the fans will miss him as well. He's always a great draw at any tournament."

On odds-on favourite Federer, Murray said: "Roger will be absolutely buzzing after winning in France and he will be hard to stop again.

"It's special what he's managed to do. I'd be surprised if he didn't go past 14 Slams now.

"But I feel I'm better equipped to win a Grand Slam this year than I was last year."

14 slams to 6 slams...as if they are age fellows??? u want us to compare these stats?? that truly refelcts ur character torres.H2hd..NADAL HAS DESTROYED FEDRERE in that category...he got closer and closer to him on grass and showed he ws better last year!!! 2-1 on grass...3-3 on hard and rafa winning the lone slam meeting!! so better! on clay,9-2!!!4-0 in slams!! the word IF has no value in tennis torres...u say IF they had played that many times on grass the h2d wud have been diff...thats absurd! rafa has blown hm away so many times even when he was nowhere near his prime and roger as...dubai 06! even thougha fast hardc ourt! miami 04...6-3 6-3...17 yrs old rafa eats up no.1 federer!!! hahhahaha

"I dont want to get into the H2H argument" torres9 7/1/09 4:14 PM

Yeah, we know you don't since that is a stat that fed is losing and is a long way away from it ever being to fed's favor (also his Murray H2H too--lol)!! So all you can come up with is the slam number of a guy that's been playing longer than Rafa....what a joke torres!

hahaha... again... H2H... How bout 21 semis in a row? Can Nadal beat that? No way. And Nadal maybe younger but his knees is older than Fed (33-yrs-old), so he will retire later.

And yes, there is no IF. There are no IF Nadal is older, he has more Slams than Fed. Nope... Don't see it... With Muzza coming up... Dont think so...

So 17-yr-old Nadal beat Fed, also 18-yr-old Berdych beat him in Olympics. A new guy has no pressure to beat a tennis legend. Fed is not perfect. But so may aspects he is better than Nadal. Maybe Nadal is better in H2H which is largely on clay. But how many records does Fed has?

The only measure that matters is the H2H, there is no other way of measuring who is better, especially as we are talking 20 contests between them, and Federer won the last one in Madrid because Rafa wasn't fit. A fit Rafa wipes the floor with Roger - fact!

haha.... thanks for the excuse, carrie... So Nalbandian has 2-1 H2H against Rafa so Nalby is better than Rafa. Thanks.

And Richard Krajicek is 6-4 against Sampras, doesnt mean Richard is better. It is about the style of play.

torres, you've lost the argument.............bye.

The one with the last point is the one who wins, carrie.. haha

You can't measure anything with a sample of 3, and 6:4 also doesn't prove much, but any reasonable person would think that a measure using 20 (13:7) is a realistic proof of who is better.

It's funny watching torres try to come up with all these stats just so he can ignore the glaring H2H stat of 13-7. How many articles have we read that say 'how can Roger be the best when he has such a lopsided unfavorable record against his main rival.' Those journalists and commentators are ALL using that H2H stat so I guess it's only conveniently unimportant to torres.

Yep, and all those commentators and tennis greats said Fed is the best ever. It's funny how Rafans have nothing other to talk about than just H2H and ignoring so many superior statistics that Fed has over Nadal.

FED IS THE BEST!!! And also if you look at GS count, we can also see who's better.

Like many say, wait til both their careers are over and then judge!! But you prefer not to wait cuz you're afraid Rafa will outdo all precious fed records (like Rafa hasn't set tons of records himself!).

Torres is a void surrounded by a sphincter muscle. Its better to ignore that idiot.
To the ignormaus Fedtards, Nadal is 5 years younger. So its not possible to compare stats because your cry baby played for more years. The only way to compare records they set is after both of them retire from pro tennis. Until then the only statistic we have is head to head which is well, ask the guy who cried like baby after AO final. He remembers it very well.
:-)

Even if Fed is a better player, Nadal is a better man. At 22, 23 he has so much respect and kindness in his approach. Not like the Narcissist and the retards that call themselves his fans.

True tennis fans appreciate Nadal over the crybaby any day.

Nalby 2-1 over rafa..only 3 meetings and 1 surface almost!!! NO comparison valid btw rafa-roger h2hd and rafa-nalb h2hd ...20 meetings and 3 meetings !! huhh..

well said nadalio!! where the hel fed wud stand when he ws 23 or even 24?? did any one used to compare him wid pete??NO!!! its rafa's greatness that has been spurring ppl to compare him wid roger since he was a teenager!!

And torres wht abt that dubai mtch??was that also clay?? wht abt that Oz open??clay?? why hasnt federer dominated on fast courts like rafa has done on the slow ones?? given that most of the mtches have been played in roger's prime and rafa's learning stages.

nd no need for rafa to beat those streaks!! every champ has his pwn patterns of records! rafa has 81 mtch streak on clay..the moment he reached it did we start calling him the best ever on clay??? NO!!! every champ dominates wid his own style and patterns!

Well, I was going to come on here and say I'm glad to hear the good news as I know you Rafans are excited, as are all tennis fans. But to read some of the nasty things you write makes me ill. I do not appreciate being called a retard. Hopefully TRUE Rafa fans do not express themselves or their beliefs in this derogatory manner and do not share your feelings. You show your class!

Rafterfan, if you don't like what was said, then you SHOULD not like all the insults the rafa fans have endured from fedfans! But I don't see that ANYWHERE in your posts so obviously it's okay if a fed fan insults someone but God forbid someone insult a fed fan--lol. That shows your class rafterfan! Is torres (who says he is a fedfan but is known to waffle) the modicum of class you describe????

Rafa fans don't need to constantly repeat his winning stats or the records he has broken to know he is the best tennis player out there. We also don't require the constant affirmation from other fans of other players. We know that not everyone likes Rafa and accept that. We hurt that he is hurt and care more for his health than any titles or rankings. We also know he will come back stronger than ever and will try his best in every match he plays and offer Godspeed to all that stand in his way.

fan4tennis, some fanatics on both sides of the camp are way over the top with their constant repetitive posts, "battle cries" and rude comments to one another. But can you give an example of a Fedfan insulting Rafafans like Nadaliio with his childish name calling like Fedtards and cry baby? Seriously, couldn't he make his point in a more civilized manner.

With the GOAT argument, just lay that to rest. That could be debated forever with reasons for and against. For the time being though, it has been widely acknowledged by many including tennis greats like McEnroe and Agassi that Federer is the best simply because of his outstanding records. Obviously there are some records that he is unlikely to reach like Sampras' 6 straight as end of season No.1, Olympic gold or his H2H record against Rafa.

Time will tell if Rafa can top some of Federer's record. If he comes close to 14GS count, there could be argument that he is the better player because of his H2H record against Federer, but until then Rafa doesn't deserve the title of GOAT (I'm not saying Fed is or isn't the GOAT). Put it simply, he hasn't dominated the whole season from start to finish the same way that Federer had done from 2004-2007. At this point, he is just Federer's greatest rival, the best claycourter the game has ever seen, and the winner of the best tennis match ever.

cable, I never mentioned the GOAT. You are the one that brought it up. I have stated on this site several times that I do not believe in it. Maybe the best of an era but I don't believe you can label a man the greatest of all times due to changes in technology, surfaces, rules, ability to play (some greats were prevented from entering slams before the Open Era) among a few reasons. I said in an earlier post to torres that we will just have to wait til the end of both's careers to judge the difference as there is a disparity in age plus difference in years of playing.

As far as name-calling, please do not try to act like the fed fans (certain ones) do not call names and act so sweet and nice. I am guilty of calling malty and zoey just a few names. I do not make it a career as malty does. Torres is real bad about doing it too. One recent example of a fedfan calling names as you requested is when malty many times referred to "homos" is her posts as "homos.....exual" with a derogatory tone ( as if the ...... made much difference). This happened more than once and in more than one thread. And that is the tip of the iceberg!

My post that you responded to cable was directed to Rafa fans (sorry if I did not make that clear) and was more of an affirmation of Rafa's return!

fan4tennis, sorry if I confused you. My post was just a general post and most of it was not really directed at you. I just wanted a few examples of what fedfans have name-called rafafans, in reference to your reply to Rafterfan. As you are well aware, a few bloggers are "spamming" each thread with long-winded posts that I am just tired of sifting through.

For the record, I don't really believe in the GOAT either.

All you need to do is look thru some of the blog threads and others and you will find many examples, especially if you focus on certain people's posts. But I understand you not wanting to do that any more than I do.

Cable,

May be you did not read the posts by morons like torres9 saying Nadal chickened out in Wimby because he was afraid of losing to Hewitt. Fedtards (the kool-aid batch, not all of fans) will understand that kind of language.

If someone cries after losing and disparages the opponent after losing, we the tennis fans reserve the right to call him crybaby.

*sighed* Nadlio, I don't think he did it intentionally. He has lost a lot to Nadal. A humiliation at FO2008, and then losing a close one at Wimby2008, the lost of AO2009 was the last straw. Like he said, he was in the spotlight for the trophy presentation so he couldn't exactly go and hide in his private space. Anyway, what's done is done. It can't be reversed. It's just human nature to make mistakes or do something stupid or unintentional from time to time that may cause an embarrassment at the time. We as a society should not be too harsh and be more tolerant and accept that fact. May someone be more kind to you the next time something like that happens to you.

NY Times thinks they jinxed Rafa:

Last August 17, Rafael Nadal was featured on the cover of this magazine, headlining our Fashion Issue, looking shirtless, muscular, and unstoppable. His ascendance had just culminated with a gold-medal win in the Beijing Olympics and his thrilling, epic win over Roger Federer at Wimbledon (a match documented in the new book Strokes of Genius by Sports Illustrated writer L. Jon Wertheim). The symbolic passing of the torch was clear: Federer was the past of tennis (and fashion), and Nadal was the present (and future).

Well, forgive us, Mr. Nadal: We seem to have discovered a New York Magazine cover jinx.

Since Nadal appeared on that cover, he has lost to Andy Murray at the U.S. Open (Federer ended up winning that tournament), dealt with a lingering tendon problem in his right knee, and, over the weekend, somehow lost at the French Open, the event he has dominated for four years. Considering the fact that Nadal is such a clay-court specialist and was generally deemed unbeatable on the surface, the upset by his longtime irritant Robin Soderling is already being considered one of the biggest upsets in major tennis history.

But as thrilling as the Nadal-Federer match at Wimbledon was, and as pat as it would be to declare it the end of Federer, in the end it doesn?t actually seem to have settled much about who the new tennis alpha dog really is. The two have traded majors since then, and with Nadal?s exit Federer seems primed to pounce at the French Open, an event he has never won. (Mostly because he was always losing to Nadal ? he's dropped the last three finals to him.)

We're not counting the 22-year-old Nadal out ? that would be ludicrous. (And yeah, yeah, maybe he did crush Federer so badly at the Australian Open that he made the man cry.) But as we've watched Sports Illustrated suffer the public wrath lately for unleashing its renowned jinx on the Cleveland Cavaliers ? whose beautiful season burst into flames within days of their SI cover a week ago ? we?ve felt a little like it's time to shoulder some of our own responsibility. We?ve never had a Federer cover here at New York. Until then, Roger, good luck.

cable, you cannot be serious : you don't think any Fedfans insult Rafans? You obviuosly have not been reading all the posts, I for one have been called a terrorist, some people have been called rude and many other insults have been hurled at us by a particular poster to the extent that some of us have decided to totally ignore her.

I'm happy for all of us to hold our corner to defend or promote our players prowess as we see them, afterall that's why we are fans, but some people just take it too far.

Well, some people already know that Rafa is my favourite player to watch but I just want to say that I'm glad Fed won against Karlovic and if he wins wimby is because he's really in a class of his own.
I don't want to get into arguments about who's better because they don't really make any sense since we're never going to agree.

First of all, this h2h thing is getting old and during 2003-2007 (Fed's glorious years), Nadal seldom meet him in US hardcourts to get beaten. And past champions like Sampras and Agassi always find it hard to make it in Roland Garros. Guga was the best during those times.

But Fed is a different specimen, he makes it to the finals on clay and 8 finals lost to Rafa (4 finals) but during those days, Rafa wasn't a threat on hardcourts so if he were in the finals in USO during Fed's glorious years, the h2h would be more like 20-13 to fed.

Since 2008, Fed has declined a bit and still managed to push Rafa who is at his best and Roger in a slump to 5 sets and also in Oz2009 where Fed only played 1 gud match (against Delpo) and still it's a 5-setter.

So I dont see much in the h2h, Rafa is clay master like Guga. And yes he won 1 AO (compared to 3 Fed AO) and 1 Wimby (compared to 5 Fed Wimby) and yet again I arrive at the conclusion that Fed is still better than Rafa.

From this post on, I will refer to Rafa as THE CHICKEN ONE since some of the Nadal fans call Fed the ARROGANT one.

Hey people,

Going back to the knees (remember?, this was the original topic of this thread, lol)
I found this link which I think is interesting for Nadal fans, I'll translate the most relevant bits:

http://blogs.as.com/matchball/2009/06/a-vueltas-con-el-estado -de-nadal.html#more

They are quoting Dr. Gonzalez's opinion about Nadal's tendon thing (this guy also writes as a medicine consultant for all sports people in the spanish sports diary AS :

When asked about the match Nadal vs Soderling he says:

'I was watching the match with a colleague of mine and Nada's fall, caused by a neuromuscular incoordination, caught my attention'.
'This incident demonstrated that he wasn't physically apt and was forced to play defensively, waiting for the opponent's error. He couldn't make neither violent stops or lunge forward and this took away self-belief in his tennis.'
'Nadal is pure power. In order to make his profesional career last longer it needs to be controlled and luckily, it is. It's all about fine-tuning the rest-competition binomial.'

So there, the rest is an opinion from a sports psycologist stating that playing with constant pain isn't easy and gets worse psychologically when you lose.

torres, you can barely hide your glee at Rafa's injury time out so that Mr Smugalot will get a free reide. Nadal will be back, fitter and stronger to wipe the smile off your face.

thanks alot shireling!!! that pretty much summarizes why rafa lost!!

torres again u show how weak ur reasoning is!!! u xpect a teenager to make it thru to the US finals(his weakest surface ) in 03-06!!! r u crazy??hes a human nt a monster...it ws his weakness and now he has done it well to improve so much!
i mention fed's finals at RG !! wht abt his struggles there and the time he took to improve in paris!!! was H UMILIATED at the hands of LUIS HORNA in 03..strait sets!!! and then by Guga in the 1st rnd if 04 Rg...fed had disastrous struggles at Rg till 05!!!
and that 20-13 thing,,hahahaaha..once again "it wud have been 20-13" is silly and illogical!! things that havent happpened and u say wud have happned is silly!! and the way rafa plays roger he CUD have also beaten him on any court in the world even when he was a teenager!! miami 04 and miam 05 (ridiculously tough mtch) prove it..... if u are so stubborn then we are also the same ..how abt this

"IF nadal was fit then there was no doubt that he wud have won RG 09 and wimb 09 becoz he was the best on grass last year(12-0)"!!!ahaha

Shireling, thanks a lot for this. I have been watching Rafa's match against Hewitt at the FO, and even though Rafa won easily in straight sets, it was obvious that he was trying not to run around too much, there were hardly any skid marks on the clay, so obviously, he was hurting. He simply wasn't as dynamic as he usually is.

torres' argument is way too ridiculous to even respond. I long to see the day when Rafa comes back and kiss the you know what of Mr Smugalot.

torres' argument is way too ridiculous to even respond. I long to see the day when Rafa comes back and KICKS the you know what of Mr Smugalot.

Vamosrafa, Nope, Nadal has reached his limits last year. He can't get any better than that and still only won it 9-7 in the last set. All is downward from him from now on. He had his time in the sunlight. He will be no.3 in a matter of weeks from now on.

And Fed would have won Wimby08 and Oz08 without mono simply becoz he is KING OF GRASS!!!

Martina Navratilova said of Rafa that you know you are a great player when you make the front pages all over the world when you lose.

Rafa is great, and the best thing that's happened to tennis, and he is humble with it.

He is not the best thing that happened to tennis. He spoils the way it should be played. And also he is unsportmanlike which explains why he never won any sportsmanship award.

P.S. After this post reach 200, I wont post on this thread again becoz i will be focusing on Fed now. Rafa is in hospital. No one cares. It's about WIMBY now. GO FEF GO!!!

P.S. After this post reach 200, I wont post on this thread again becoz i will be focusing on Fed now. Rafa is in hospital. No one cares. It's about WIMBY now. GO FEF GO!!!

torres9 , 7/2/09 3:40 PM

Is that a threat or a promise!!!!!!!! Good riddance, at least only posters who sympathise with Rafa will be posting here not fans of Sir Smugalot who do not wish Rafa well.

Rafa has reached his limits??? do u have an proof?? or are u god??? he says he has been improving and will keep on improving! and wil prove ppl like u wrong time and time again.

torres this is your farewell to this thread, written by someone who knows what he is talking about:

Rafael Nadal born the 3 of June of 1986. Rafael Nadal Parera is from Manacor, Majorca, Spain and he is a tennis player breaker that none can beat.

He is a totally born winner, a killer of the courts and an amazing sportsman and person with a lot of energy and vitality. He can play with two hands, but it is well known that his left one is the best.

Rafa won his first tennis championship when he was 8 years old. He belongs to a family of sportsmen. Rafael Nadal uncle Miguel was player of the Majorca and the FC Barcelona. And his trainer is his own uncle Toni who was a professional player of tennis. Toni began to prepare to Rafael Nadal being this a boy. For the player, the training of their uncle have been decisive. ?It demands much to me, I guess that for being of my family. He has taught to me everything, and mainly to being better person?. Says Rafael Nadal about his uncle and trainer.

This young guy called Rafael Nadal has all the skills to become the number one of the world.


Rafael Nadal born the 3 of June of 1986. Rafael Nadal Parera is from Manacor, Majorca, Spain and he is a tennis player breaker that none can beat.

He is a totally born winner, a killer of the courts and an amazing sportsman and person with a lot of energy and vitality. He can play with two hands, but it is well known that his left one is the best.

Rafa won his first tennis championship when he was 8 years old. He belongs to a family of sportsmen. Rafael Nadal uncle Miguel was player of the Majorca and the FC Barcelona. And his trainer is his own uncle Toni who was a professional player of tennis. Toni began to prepare to Rafael Nadal being this a boy. For the player, the training of their uncle have been decisive. ?It demands much to me, I guess that for being of my family. He has taught to me everything, and mainly to being better person?. Says Rafael Nadal about his uncle and trainer.

This young guy called Rafael Nadal has all the skills to become the number one of the world.

Nothing particular to say other than making this thread reach 200 so torres can focus his energy in threads solely about Fed and leaves us alone in this one :)

torres has finally conceded that a 13:7 H2H is the definitive proof that Nadal is a better tennis player than Federer, that's why he's given up because he knows when he's beaten.

Nah carrie. He's trying to help 'her' decide who is a proper fedfan and who is a fake fedfan. As if it is up to her--LOL

When Rafa comes back, he will make it quite clear that the ONLY reason fed has been winning is because Nadal was hurt. It's not just Rafa fans saying that either. Even fed himself said recently he had a confidence problem after the AO. It's easy to figure out why he doesn't have that problem lately..........he KNOWS he won't have to face Rafa!! But just wait til he sees Rafa's face across the court! Rafa WILL remind him who is better!

f4t, right now I am watching Rafa teach Sir Smugalot a thing or two in last year's final.

Nope carrie, i already proved why h2h is not indication... and since you cant counter it and any other rafans here also cant counter my points so I decide I should leave THE CHICKEN ONE fans alone... :D

Seems we are irristible.

huh? he's back, and again with the h2h thing! didn't take you long to get back torres, lol
I know this has nothing to do with this thread but how does Safina tell herself that she can get a bagel in a wimby semifinal being nr 1 in the world?

Shireling, you've just reminded me that another No 1 was bagled at RG in 2008 by our man Rafa..............none other than Sir Smugalot. The Arrogant One just 4 games in that meeting, absolutely thrashed by The King of Clay.

torres..i have been forcing u to chicken out all the time..previous threads prove it..even this one...i completely neutralized ur illogical comments!!! u just digress..and resume wid a new crap!! thats utter stubborness..no one can stop u from writing and we al can write..but u are writing crap sicne the past 20 posts or so

Yep carrie,
Can you believe that I couldn't watch that match!
But let's not gloat over it - each match is different - Rafa also got bagled in a Wimbledon final (although it was a closer match than RG 08)

Update on Rafa:

Translation from Spanish.

Rafa Nadal has not done specific work for tennis since he left London on June 20, after defeats in two exhibitions at Hewitt and Wawrinka. Dr. Ruiz Cotorro recommended "rest, physiotherapy and muscle strengthening." This recipe has been strictly followed Nadal in recent weeks vacation, including swimming pool and pool: and without touching the racquet. Nadal withdrew from Wimbledon by the requirement of five sets. "Missing only 10 or 15 days to be either the quadriceps tendinitis," said Cotorro. Rafa was raised to play the Davis Germany, next week in the land of Marbella, but was discouraged because in August to enter into the area that requires more: the U.S. campaign trail hard. "I have no doubt that in a maximum of four weeks, Rafa could be paying 100%," says Cotorro. The first major engagement of Nadal to be the 1000 Masters in Montreal (August 8) that is champion.
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P.S. After this post reach 200, I wont post on this thread again becoz i will be focusing on Fed now. Rafa is in hospital. No one cares. It's about WIMBY now. GO FEF GO!!!-torres9 , 7/2/09 3:04 PM

Nope carrie, i already proved why h2h is not indication... and since you cant counter it and any other rafans here also cant counter my points so I decide I should leave THE CHICKEN ONE fans alone... :D-torres9 , 7/2/09 9:04 PM

You are a big liar tosser9!

vamosrafa, I just want to focus on Fed now. Your points did not counter any of my point. Sorry, you havent convince me that Rafa>Roger. For me, Roger is better and betterer!!!!

But Nadal is good, no doubt, i give you that.

torres is a fairweather friend. When Roger was in decline he was beginning to move into Rafa's camp. We love Rafa always.

When Rafa was on fire all the Rafans just talk too much dats why I dont bother to visit TT. Now they are quiet so TT is my home now!!!

FED IS THE BEST!!!

quote......Nah carrie. He's trying to help 'her' decide who is a proper fedfan and who is a fake fedfan. As if it is up to her--LOL...unquote....

fanny....nice to see you are now referring me to 'her'...i have a name...it's malteser and it's YOU who have conveniently changed it when you get pissed off or at the very least...disagreeable......fanny you are the ultimate charlatan.

i can only think fanny that YOU must be an extremely jealous and possessive woman cos you seem to quote '(LOL...)' at me quite a lot of the time....? weird woman.

I think YOUR problem lady is that you just DONT KNOW who the hell to support.....YOU are the FAKE one fanny...You say you support rafa.....he obviously withdrew..so there was nothing that you could do there...granted....

you then very quickly move over to the murray camp with your ridiculously crud hometown crown crock....that no one else followed by the way....ridiculous woman...then you state you prefer him to win over Roddick.....Roddick wins...no comment from you....about time....!....and now....you are kind of at a loss as to who to support....because you have confused yourself so much as to who to go for...you are a ridiculous fake fanny...ridiculous....absolutely shameful fan....you change your tennis players probably as often as you wash your laundry......you are the fairweather fan here fanny...no one else.....

the rafa fans had oodles of plaudits for rafa.....fanny.....as fedfans we have had nothing but contempt and derision from the rafafans just because your guy is not playing...you find it hilarious to come onto the fed threads and spoil the party...you have ALWAYS been the same....both fanny, carrie and danny....ridiculous shameful non-fans is what you are..

note what shireling said about rafa getting bagled fanny and carrie......it works both ways....

perhaps if rafa is able to make it past a fourth round then he will be in with a chance...until then...he has to get over a lot of players having beaten him this year at key moments....

there is no doubt that for the true rafa fans (of which fanny is NOT...(keep chopping and changing...the very idea!).....rafa will continue to be their champion..as roger was and is...and always will be....the fedfans .....when he went through his mono period....but we have never EVER wished bad things on rafa....because we recognise and appreciate the champion that he is....

but this is going to be a convalescence and a half before rafa returns......to his best.....he has had no tennis practice for 2 months? so what will he have been doing in the meantime apart from resting? will he have had a practice partner? how many hours of tennis practice will he have had in the meantime?

For now...i think the TRUE rafafans should be concerning themselves with RAFA and not ROGER.....you keep saying carrie that we should stay off the rafa threads....well...why don't you do the same? and stay off the fedthreads? you are such a hypocrite...coming on to the fedthread saying that Fed was impressive? you sounded surprised.....

you seem to have a very BIG problem with anyone who disagrees with you..in this case...torres..who.....has as much right to express his opinion as anyone else...torres is an independent person...he doesn't need anyone....to back him up/support him.....and yet you don't see anything except your own misguided thinking....you are imposters of the game of tennis.....fanny especially....

C'MON!

Malty,
F4t is gone now, this crazy lady must be hitting her head on the wall for her failed campaign to run to Murray's camp just to see Fed lose. Bad Karma bit her back now! Haha...

Where is the crazy woman?

I am right here!!! Not speechless at all and have no problem with Roddick winning! It happens to be a holiday in the USA and prep yesterday for today was alot. Is amazing how many people on this site have said they have more than player they root for (zoey and rafterfan to name a couple) after I was called a "shameful....absolutely shameful fan" (by moldy)for daring to root for Murray since Rafa was not playing. Now that Murray is out, I am rooting for Roddick tho I doubt he will win. Don't either of you two bubbleheads worry about what the Rafa fans worry about. Just go on with your obsessive love for fed instead of filling posts on a Rafa thread JUST to insult us. But I guess the puppetmaster had to check on torres to make sure he was following her orders.

Bad Karma? Nah, some of us realize it is just a game! Murray lost BUT he did improve his results from last year so WTG!!!! Guess you had lots of bad karma from 2007 until Madrid--lol!

Our man should be back to defend his Montreal title, I can't wait. Rafa went from No 51 to 2 in no time and stayed there for 160 weeks until he displaced the man in the tutu who dances about the court playing 'beautiful' tennis. He'll do it again. Mr Smugalot should make the best of it whilst Rafa is recovering

I just remember all the struggles fed had this year plus winning NO titles until Madrid against a hurt Nadal. No surprise that he felt at ease at Rg and Wimby cuz he knows the only way he can relax and win a slam anymore is if Rafa is out of the picture. Well, Mr. Fashion Queen, enjoy your calmness now cuz pretty soon Rafa will be in your face and the world will see how you come unglued again. After all, Rafa beat you alot when he was Number 2 and he will do it again!!!!!! When Rafa wins the USO, he will have the OFFICIAL GOLDEN career slam!!!!

well...i don't think so somehow fannie...i think that you need to support your man through some very tough times ahead.....that's of course if you know who you are supporting? I mean...it must be soooo difficult to choose from all the players that you have supported through wimby...and of course now...you don't really have much choice after rooting for murray...against roddick......you don't really have much choice left do you? shameful, fake fan....

federer is sublime and the BEST and always will be....it's really strange that you seem to be the ones (you and carrie) continuing to make very poor excuses time and time again for rafa....very poor you two...very bad sportsmanship......you need to calm down and come back down to earth.....this is unknown territory for you right now...you don't know how rafa is going to perform.....you shouldn't wish bad things on any player which is the only thing you are extremely good at fakefan...

C'MON!

Haha.... Rafa should just retire... He probably win USO and then get injured again but I think he'll get knocked out by Djoker or Murray or Fed or maybe some good hardcourt player... Rafa's days as no.1 should be enjoyed by Rafans but it was only due to Fed getting mono.... Now they are getting Bad Karma...

HAHAHHAHA

FED IS THE BEST!!!

"but it was only due to Fed getting mono.."

And fed winning the FO and getting his career slam was ONLY because Rafa was hurt!

poor excuses yet again from fakefan...she really is trawling the barrel torres.......had nothing to do with rafa just not being in control of the points against soderling....the fact that the statistics that soderling had against rafa were 'out of this world'...so 'out of this world' that soderling moved from no. 25 to no.12 as a result of his progress at FO....i think fakefan you need to get yourself a vcr or a dvd to watch rafa on record.....cos right now...you are clutching at straws....you should be supporting your man NOT making excuses for him.....poor fakefan.....

"due to Fed getting mono"

Poor excuses from another fake fedfan!

'ONLY because Rafa was hurt!'

haha... u said I was giving excuse and you are giving excuses yourelf. Really a stupid statement by a fake Nadal fan

And Rafa was there in RG, wasnt he? But got knocked out by Soderling who was better on the day. Wasn't hurt, moved well.

No, your puppetmaster said it was an excuse so that makes fed's mono an excuse. Maybe you should check with your leader before you speak!

torres..job done...just reported fan4tennis for her twisting my names and continuing being disrespectful towards federer...let's hope she gets kicked off and soon....

And to note also, that she has been warned about her twisting homos's name in a way that is insulting to a group of millions of people. Check out the Karlovic thread.

f4t, lol... you are the hypocrite of the highest level... and also by jumping to Murray's camp just to see Fed lose and now Roddick's camp... You are really a joke.

fft..you cannot read... the very first time i used a derivation of homos' name.....as a result of him calling me MALTOSSER...was to say...quote.....('equal rights...equal rights....no offence to anyone who is gay')...you missed that quote out very conveniently Miss Charlatan....now what have you got to say?

LOL, the joke is that you people expect anyone who is a Rafa fan to just ignore Wimby and forget tennis is going on while Rafa is out injured. Don't be sooooo conceited as to think that everything people do in regards to tennis revolves around fed. People can like Rafa, Murray, or Nole or whoever without it being "just to see fed lose." Rafa was out, I rooted for Murray. Murray is now out, and being American, I will root for AndyR.

Eh, if it helps Fed and Rafa fans, Rafa became number one because he stayed healthy and played well while Fed was sick. He therefore deserved that time. However, he played too hard and therefore won countless things at the risk of not being able to defend them and Fed may become number one now "if he deserves it" which would be by winning Wimby. All players get chances because they play better on any given day for any given number of months or years.. You can't really be number 1 by sucking. Just a note...
This is why I love both guys.

You used the term in an offensive spirit and manner. Your disclaimer after the first time you used it means nothing if it clearly is meant to insult someone. You then REPEATEDLY used it over and over again (with no disclaimer) in your rants and ravings about homos. As example: Most people understand they can't use racist terms and then add your disclaimer and think everything's okay. People will still be offended!

Your excuse of you never starting anything and others called you names first reminds me of a 5 year old who whines to his mommy "Well, he called me a name first."

This was an insult free zone until you know who joined in, and she's doing my head in.

f4t, silence is the best policy. Some people think they own this forum, picking on everybody's word and going around blasting other posters for expressing views that are contrary to theirs. The audacity of telling someone they don't have a right to support who they want to support is breathtaking.

f4t, if you are gonna participate in WImbledon when Nadal i sout, why dont you just watch it and comment on the tennis. WHy do you have to support another player out of nowhere? Why didnt u support ARod from the beginning? You just want Fed to lose.

And sorry, tennis may not revolve around Fed but he revolves around tennis. It must be hard for you that Fed is always on TV and in the finals of the Grand Slam. I pity you becoz Fed is just too consistent and never wavers even with the challenge of Nadal.

carrie.. that's the best idea you have come up with all year...you stay away from me...i'll stay away from you...you do my head in as much as I do yours..so we are equal...trust me......also when YOU criticise others for posting.....and yet shireling can post info about RAFA on a Murray/Roddick thread? what do you say about that? Oh...let me guess...it's okay for rafa fans to do that but NOT for fed fans...boy do YOU live by double standards carrie....

torres...let's just talk tennis now on fed thread and regroup....completely regroup and focus on tomorrow's match....

go:fed:go...

"The audacity of telling someone they don't have a right to support who they want to support is breathtaking. "

Perfectly stated carrie--thank you!!!!!

"I pity you becoz Fed is just too consistent and never wavers even with the challenge of Nadal."-torres9 , 7/4/09 10:36 PM

Yes, he never wavers. He just cries a lot! :-)

maltosser did you run to cheryl crying again with your tail between your hind legs? you are always causing trouble with your stupidity, blind obsession and foul mouth. stfu and piss off so tennis fans can enjoy themselves without having to put up with scum gutter mouths like you!

"never wavers even with the challenge of Nadal"

He's wavered 13 out of 20 times!

fft..you have a very distorted view of who is wavering.....here is how rafa has been 'wavering' this year.....

They met again in May in the final of the Madrid Open, on clay. Nadal, naturally, was a firm favourite, but Federer, who had spent time away from the circuit, working on his fitness and strokes, was inspired that day, attacking flat out, choosing his shots by instinct, taking the ball early and calling the tune in rally after rally. He served brilliantly.

There was one especially telling moment. When Federer served for the match at five games to four in the second set, he fell behind 15-40, and missed his first serve. Nadal is never more dangerous than when cornered and a fightback seemed guaranteed. Usually, Federer would have served his second serve wide to Nadal?s backhand. Nadal guessed as much and ran to his right to hit his forehand. Federer read the move and calmly served a three-quarter speed ace down the middle. Nadal, outwitted, was soon down and out.

The axis of power in men?s tennis shifted right there. In the next tournament, the French Open, Nadal, hampered by tendonitis in his knees, was hit off the court by Robin Soderling. Federer, playing with a freedom that had been long missing and able to fight calmly when in trouble, completed his collection of grand-slam titles.

homos...am really surprised by your post actually...considering it is YOU that invented the word...'MALTOSSER'....followed by pos, dan, carrie, fft....and yet you think that is acceptable? and YOU have continued to insult me for quite some time...so you don't like federer...so what? so you hate the fact that fedfans share each others joy and post articles and give comments on that...of which.....I am ONE person on this forum...so what?

and I can you one thing...it is ONLY YOU who comes out with insults towards me...I took those insults for quite some time...quite patient actually..until i had had enough..so the only person who has a gutter mouth around here is you....i have asked you many times to stop with your filthy mouth...yet you have continued with it...because you get a buzz out of it...along with your stooges.....so carry on homos and one day..your insulting comments will be your last....you simply cannot expect me to put up with YOUR continuing tirade of insults just because you are 'off loading'...am not interested....i just want to talktennis with the true fans on this forum...of which you are NOT one of them.

I thought the class bully was leaving this thread with her gang, I was looking forward to that.

so why are you back then carrie?

Your words, not mine.

torres...let's just talk tennis now on fed thread and regroup....completely regroup and focus on tomorrow's match....

go:fed:go...

malteser1 , 7/4/09 10:42 PM

go bully someone else carrie......

"never wavers even with the challenge of Nadal"

He's wavered 13 out of 20 times!

Clearly if he does wavers, he would be down and out. But he keeps showing up in Semis and Finals knowing that Nadal only beat him a lot on clay and that those losses doesn't define him.

here's how the Fed responds:-
a) Lost Wimby2008 to Rafa - WOn USO2008
b) Lost Oz2009 to Rafa- WON FO2009 and probably would win Wimby2009 too!!!

How does Rafa respond to being no.1?
a) keep on losing to out of top 4 players like Soderling, Monfils, Delpo
b) crumble to pressure in Madrid and RG2009
c) Chickening out in Wimby

No doubt who's better here. Sorry

fed lost a lot of matches in 2008 as well as no. 1 - and lost his no. 1. i'll wait til rafa reaches that age than judge. or you might prefer comparing fed to 16 year old bernard tomic so you can fool yourself about how great fed is!

Fine if you think Rafa = Bernard Tomic. :)

"fft..you have a very distorted view of who is wavering.....here is how rafa has been 'wavering' this year.."

No I don't. I just look at their H2H and can tell who is wavering. And I LOVE how you continued that post to TRY to prove Roger isn't wavering in the face of Nadal by talking of Madrid. I see you conveniently forgot the AO?????

fan4 - only those who waver find excuses and cry in public when they lose!!!

yeah homos and only those who waver...get whooped in a fourth round of a slam...by a no.25 seed......and a final of a masters........and rafa being no. 1 then..wow....the king of wavering.....looks like your guy is gonna need all the support he can get..so rather than worrying about fed homos...go support your man.....just in case he 'wavers' again.......i know you'll be strong for him homos.....try not to find too many excuses for rafa...he wouldn't thank you for it...

Funny how fed said he cried at the AO cuz of all the crowd cheering and the legends being there and the historic occasion.

Fast forward: All those have been present at the FO and Wimby and fed didn't cry!!!!!!! So why the difference? Oh yeah, that's right, he cried when he LOST at the AO, no other reason apparent now!

Another incorrect fact by miss crazy f4t. Fed cried in FO lol... tears of joy... R u blind or did you turned of the TV when he won.

In WImby2009, he's just happy to break the record. There's not much pressure. He's already won 14 GS going into the tournament. Won the elusive FO.

So everything from now on is just a bonus for the Fed. Different case in AO when he was trying to equal Sampras record and also in FO.

Nadal also cried when he lost to Soderling in FO. Difference is there's no trophy presentation after that.

Now I see why you and malt are together. You're both outright liars! Nadal didn't cry after Soderling beat him. In his presser (which isn't on stage in front of thousands), he had the same look as Roddick did today and you could tell he wanted to, but he, like Roddick, knows how to control himself. He didn't lose control on stage in front of everyone and their brother all because he lost like fed did.

He cried in the taxi going to his hotel according to onlookers. He is just the same with Fed. Also he cried after Fed beat him in WImby2007. Just the same. Only that he didnt have a lot of fans to disappoint like Fed. If his fans focus more on supporting him than dissing Fed, maybe he'll cry too when he lost in a Slam final and here 'We love you,Rafa'.

But Rafans focus too much on dissing Fed which is why bad Karma always gets to them.

Just as I knew: torres is a two-bit liar too!! You're on another thread preaching to the masses that you, torres, "seldom diss Nadal". You just proved what I said and that is that you are a liar!

Calling someone a liar is not uncalled for when it's the truth! Malt lied and I proved it (she has yet to answer why she lied) and torres just proved the same thing!

torres is a big time liar! Proof lies even on this thread. He said that he will stop posting here when it reaches 200 posts but here he is cintinuing with his lies.

I diss Nadal only to give Raftards a taste of their own medicine and I support Fed more than diss Nadal. f4t is different. He disses Fed more than support Nadal. That is the epitome of fakefanness

quote: from fft.....

Now I see why you and malt are together. You're both outright liars! Nadal didn't cry after Soderling beat him. In his presser (which isn't on stage in front of thousands)...unquote...

Firstly fft...you are a very sick woman....torres and I are not together.....i could say you and homos are together and you are both liars...but for now..i am trying very hard to rise above it...but your tongue is like venom on this thread....

Nadal was very upset when he lost to soderling...he had tears in his eyes...the rims were RED......very....RED.....at that point tho' (trying to relate to Fed at FO - EVERY SINGLE SEAT IN THE HOUSE was taken....believe it or not that WASN'T the case when rafa was playing..IN THE FOURTH ROUND.....certainly watching it here in the comfort of my sitting room....there were empty seats....

PLUS....you simply CANNOT compare a FOURTH ROUND MATCH TO A FINAL...when Rafa was whooped by soderling....and Roger had history on his shoulders at the AO....this was HIS chance to equal sampras's record.....in front of THE LEGENDS...in particular Rod Laver....I'm surprised fed didn't fall to the ground and pass out to be honest...the amount of pressure he must have had on his shoulders was E-N-O-R-M-O-S....MORE THAN RAFA's at that point....MUCH MORE.....

I love it when fed gets emotional...it shows he is HUMAN....unlike fft who is a robot lady....cries at nothing and in front of no one...holds it together...toughs it out...because of course to cry..to show emotion (as fft sees it..homos and danny..) is a weakness....

we have tear ducts so that we can shed tears in joy and in sorrow.....that is what they are there for...to NOT cry in such situations means you are repressing a natural emotion...I think fft you must be very repressed and suppressing your natural emotions....babe...let it all out...take a leaf out of fed's book...let it all out...

totally understandable to feel the weight of expectation on his shoulders...but hey that's all past now...cos he pulled himself together and has gone on to win TWO MORE SLAMS AT THIS POINT....bring on the US Open...Fed must be walking on air right now...

He can cry all he wants to for all I care.....

torres...don't bring yourself down to fft's level...the woman is seriously unstable...she represses her emotions and we are her therapists on this forum..she is sucking out all the lifeblood and energy from fedfans as she is so filled with antipathy towards the GOAT....leave her be...we cannot help her...she needs professional help in order to overcome her secret admiration for fed...that is what this is about...she just is wrestling with her feelings over and over again.....I mean lets face it...the woman doesn't know who to support for chrissake!

First its Rafa...oh no...ooooppsss...it's murray......(I'm American...of course I'm going to support roddick....)...ooooopss... i meant to say she supports roddick.....

do you know what torres...i get VERY confused as to who she does support....which is why I think that really it must be fed....she just coming to terms with her TRUE feelings.......PURE FAKE fft....no other word for it.

"Relax , malt , it's only a game and Roger doesn't know you exist... "-Nam1 , 6/26/09 4:51 AM

Roger doesn't know maltheser exists?
Ouch!!! That must have hurt...MUCH!!!

Malty, perfectly agree, fft is a fake fan. He just Fed and will support every player to beat Fed. We never cared too much of who Nadal plays. She knows Muzza has a 6-2 H2H and thought that if Fed-Muzza met in final then Fed would have lost so she thought she could support Muzza just to annoy the Fed fans.

Bad Karma bit her for her ill intentions!!!

Yes you perfectly agree. How can a slave go against his master?

well let's face it dan...i can go out...do some shopping..go for a run...in the time that it takes you to send a post...back to one liners!

danny...you are fft's slave....no one else...such a silly little boy....cannot think of any original material......pure bad karma danny boy.....poor danny...must be so upset that fed won! danny is the slave.....unsportsmanlike.....nothing to add to this forum...brings on pure hatred and supports the Queen bee in the process..what does it feel like dan to be in such awe of queen bee with her rotten remarks and to be in awe of the man known as T-H-E....F-E-D!?

Allez Federer!

Nadal's doctor is the only one in a position to talk about his injury:

World of tennis: Nadal?s camp insist he will be ready for Montreal

Last updated at 12:01 AM on 06th July 2009

Taken as a whole, this will not go down as an exceptional Wimbledon and one contributory factor to that was the unfortunate absence of defending champion Rafael Nadal.

However, it seems that some of the wilder rumours about his future are wide of the mark and, as his spokesman Benito Perez Barbadillo tells me, causing some annoyance to the Nadal camp.

The Mallorcan is currently doing pure fitness work while having treatment on the tendinitis in his knee and is expected to be back on the practice court within the next
few weeks.
Rafael Nadal

Returning: Rafael Nadal is working hard to get fit and could be back next month

Perez Barbadillo said yesterday: ?The plan is still very much that he plays in the Montreal Masters beginning on August 10. He is entered into it and that is what will happen if things go as we think they will.

?There seem to be experts giving opinions about Rafa?s knee from a long distance when they have no details and have no knowledge of his condition. He has his own specialists and they are the only ones who are qualified to give proper opinions. It is disrespectful to Rafa and his doctors for those who have not examined him to be saying how he is.?

Could there be any chance of a return sooner? ?You never know with this guy,? he replied.

carrie...as you said to me a long time ago.....don't worry....rafa doesn't know you exist...

malt, why don't you start reading posts to see who said what. If you look back, you will see your little fedboy torres is the one that started comparing fed at the AO and rafa at the FO.

malt: Why haven't you answered as to why you LIED and made up things that I said and then tried to pass them off as real? I even provided the actual conversation and the REAL WORDS to prove it and yet, no answer from you? And with fedboy's lies, it just goes to show that nothing either one of you say can ever be believed!

The difference between us is that carrie and I know that Rafa doesn't know we exist and that's fine. We're not stalkers like you whose whole life revolves around fed. Carrie just posted a statement from the RAFA CAMP AND RAFA which only supports what we have said all along:
"There seem to be experts giving opinions about Rafa's knee from a long distance when they have no details and have no knowledge of his condition. He has his own specialists and they are the only ones who are qualified to give proper opinions. It is disrespectful to Rafa and his doctors for those who have not examined him to be saying how he is."

I am NOT a liar fft....STOP this ridiculous childish behaviour......

secondly.......why don't you answer the questions i asked you fft? d'oh! I'm an American...I'm patriotic...but I dont know who to support.....d'oh....am I really a tennis fan? I dont think so.....didn't know what a golden slam was....didn't answer my questions weeks ago.....agreed with your own posse that it was okay for them to use insulting names as well as you...do YOU feel proud of yourself lady? Proud? are you being a role model for younger people on this forum? a 50 year old woman with no manners...no focus in life...who has resorted to insults and behaviour...and won't grow up....a very sad life you must lead...

quote......fft...now I see why YOU, CARRIE and DANNY are together....your own little posse.....how does it feel to be THE REAL PUPPET MASTER fft....silly woman....my god are you on a roll of vitriol woman......

Now I see why you and malt are together. You're both outright liars! Nadal didn't cry after Soderling beat him. In his presser (which isn't on stage in front of thousands), he had the same look as Roddick did today and you could tell he wanted to, but he, like Roddick, knows how to control himself. He didn't lose control on stage in front of everyone and their brother all because he lost like fed did.


so what if fed cried...who cares? since then..he has improved his game and rafa hasn't....(am sad to say....tennis needs rafa fft...but tennis does NOT need a fakefan like you....go support the 'women who make donuts group'....am sure you will fare a lot better and may even make some money as well!

You are now STALKING me fft...and i am actually sick of seeing your name on this forum.....sick of it...you bring nothing...absolutely nothing....get lost...we all know you hate fed but you spoil fedfans celebrations with your nastiness....

dont worry fft...rafa doesn't know you exist...

malt: "I am NOT a liar fft"

Here is the proof which you cannot defend unless you change the subject:
You claim: "..i also asked you what you thought of certain people on this thread calling me MALTOSSER....your response was
quote...
'How the hell should I know....go and ask them!' unquote..."

Here is the proof that you change things to fit your needs. This was the ACTUAL conversation that you took liberties in changing and claimed as quotes:

"fft..as a matter of interest...what do you think about homos,danny,carrie, posmatrac calling me MALTOSSER? "
malteser1
, 7/4/09 10:05 PM

"Why don't YOU ask them? And you can answer why you called them danielle, posey boy and of course, what you called homos, to name a few. I don't recall you making a play on words of carrie, you just filled up posts with insult-filled tirades against her."
fan4tennis
, 7/4/09 10:09 PM

Proves you as nothing but a two bit liar! No one should ever believe what you "claim" as quotes again!!!!!!